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Post by MJB on May 25, 2024 9:03:45 GMT
I know our constituency, West Wiltshire, is one of the safest Tory seats in the country, but who on earth at Labour HQ thought that selecting a councillor from Southwark, London as our candidate in rural Wiltshire was a good idea.
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Post by zou on May 25, 2024 9:09:44 GMT
I know our constituency, West Wiltshire, is one of the safest Tory seats in the country, but who on earth at Labour HQ thought that selecting a councillor from Southwark, London as our candidate in rural Wiltshire was a good idea. Probably don't want anyone 'serious' having their career impacted by the certain loss? |
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Post by willien on May 25, 2024 12:05:48 GMT
Ye gods you have a Reform candidate. Gross! |
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Post by mick on May 25, 2024 12:50:17 GMT
Well that's decided. My MP, who I rate very highly, is standing down. I might, probably would, have voted for him, but I won't be voting for his (Tory) replacement. I know loads of folk that share my opinion, so I reckon he may well have handed the seat to the Lib Dems. Mick So it's the person not the party that you vote for? I listened to an analysis on the radio this morning and although the issues of taxation, the NHS, Social Care, immigration and housing were quoted by those in pre-election polls, it actually was the personality in the end which got the vote from most of us. For myself, I'm not drawn to either Tory or Labour leaders, so I guess it will be party for me when I put my cross on the ballot paper. Not always. For the last couple of parliamentary elections it has been because, as I said, I rate this guy highly. In local elections it's been the party - but a local alliance of 'independents' not one of the main stream. They have had enough success to enable them to curb the excesses of the mainstream so 'job done'.
I actually don't know about the upcoming GE. Know nothing about the Labour candidate, not that he has any chance, I've had a flood from the LibDem and, of course, have no idea who the Tories might adopt or what others might be available. When I said decided, I meant that I now have no reason to go Tory - the party of the 'good guy'!!
Mick
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Post by kate on May 25, 2024 13:28:08 GMT
So it's the person not the party that you vote for? I listened to an analysis on the radio this morning and although the issues of taxation, the NHS, Social Care, immigration and housing were quoted by those in pre-election polls, it actually was the personality in the end which got the vote from most of us. For myself, I'm not drawn to either Tory or Labour leaders, so I guess it will be party for me when I put my cross on the ballot paper. Not always. For the last couple of parliamentary elections it has been because, as I said, I rate this guy highly. In local elections it's been the party - but a local alliance of 'independents' not one of the main stream. They have had enough success to enable them to curb the excesses of the mainstream so 'job done'.
I actually don't know about the upcoming GE. Know nothing about the Labour candidate, not that he has any chance, I've had a flood from the LibDem and, of course, have no idea who the Tories might adopt or what others might be available. When I said decided, I meant that I now have no reason to go Tory - the party of the 'good guy'!!
Mick
There seems to be a bit of a circular argument going on here. However, it appears you stand alone if you say the Labour candidate doesn't stand a chance (party loyalty to toryism?) I guess some might think LibDems are more palatable than Labour, but by the sound of it, your area will stay Tory regardless of any argument to the contrary. Not very bright are they? Must be a skewed demographic in your neck of the woods. |
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Post by mick on May 25, 2024 13:49:19 GMT
No circularity intended or even recognised by me. Maybe you could help a dopey old geyser with an explanation.
Why would I stand alone by saying that Labour doesn't stand a chance? In this constituency, of course. In this area, they have historically done very badly indeed in both local and general elections.Typically, being beaten by the Greens. I don't see that changing this time.
There had been an unarguable move towards the LibDems recently and boundary changes, IMHO, will have accelerated that but I might be underestimating the benefit to Labour. The boundary changes will definitely be against the Tories.
Yes the constituency has been true blue since inception in 1974 but if the Tories lose this time it will be to LibDem and not Labour. My opinion, of course. I think that it will be a close run thing around here.
Mick
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Post by andy on May 25, 2024 13:55:45 GMT
Ye gods you have a Reform candidate. Gross! Unfortunately but at the same time I suspect will dilute the tory vote so they are an even more distant 3rd place. Just seen Owen Thompson doon the park at gala day and got an "alright" off the councillor he was with as she clocked me first. Never seen the lassie Labour have shipped in from East Lothian to try to win the Midlothian seat back...not sure anyone has! |
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Post by zou on May 25, 2024 13:58:17 GMT
In a system of true representation one would only ever endorse with a vote a candidate standing on a manifesto the elector approves of. The idea of betting on a winner being more important than the endorsement of policy seems to be one of the big issues the system has at the moment.
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Post by Chester PB on May 25, 2024 16:12:44 GMT
I know our constituency, West Wiltshire, is one of the safest Tory seats in the country, but who on earth at Labour HQ thought that selecting a councillor from Southwark, London as our candidate in rural Wiltshire was a good idea. Possibly the Labour Party has chosen banish a difficult party member to rural Wiltshire, if only for a few weeks. If the Party was serious, the candidate's family would be in a temporarily rented house in the constituency to give the pretence of being committed to the local community. |
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Post by willien on May 25, 2024 16:41:22 GMT
More likely giving a too young and inexperienced prospect some experience where they can do no harm.
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Post by willien on May 25, 2024 22:50:50 GMT
Um. How fu**** stupid are these [insert asterisks as you see fit]? FFS are they seriously worried they might win and therefore think as a desperate measure "we have to alienate the youth vote in case the moronic little shits vote for us"? www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpddxy9r4mdo |
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Post by zou on May 26, 2024 5:55:09 GMT
Um. How fu**** stupid are these [insert asterisks as you see fit]? FFS are they seriously worried they might win and therefore think as a desperate measure "we have to alienate the youth vote in case the moronic little shits vote for us"? www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpddxy9r4mdoI think it's posturing to appeal to the more right-wing side of the party, they definitely don't want youngsters having military ID with which they can vote... |
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Post by dreampolice on May 26, 2024 7:09:12 GMT
I think it's posturing to appeal to the more right-wing side of the party, they definitely don't want youngsters having military ID with which they can vote... And the old folk. You know the sort.... " I did national service/went to war. Never did me any harm.... I never went on benefits. I used to get beaten by my parents to whip me into shape/I used to beat my kids to whip them into shape... that never did me any harm either...." etc. In reality, you know whatever they did, it would be an expensive, watered down, useless waste of time thing that would do no good for anyone and would eventually get shelved. Not that they are likely to implement it from the opposing bench! |
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Post by zou on May 26, 2024 7:19:42 GMT
And the old folk. You know the sort.... " I did national service/went to war. Never did me any harm.... I never went on benefits. I used to get beaten by my parents to whip me into shape/I used to beat my kids to whip them into shape... that never did me any harm either...." etc. In reality, you know whatever they did, it would be an expensive, watered down, useless waste of time thing that would do no good for anyone and would eventually get shelved. Not that they are likely to implement it from the opposing bench! Yeah, that's mostly the same people.  |
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Post by daves on May 26, 2024 8:32:21 GMT
What a complete wuckfit, Cleverly the ill-named. Obviously pandering to the fascist tendency in his party and the "Reform UK" morons.
Where I am the only party with any hope of unseating Chris Loder are the Lib Dems. We got rid of the Toryscum council, now to get rid of the Toryscum gubermint.
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