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Post by JohnY on Jun 21, 2024 20:20:40 GMT
... Pretending Scotland can trade freely with the rest of Great Britain and rejoin the EU doesn't sound realistic to me...I suspect negotiations will go about as well as they did for Theresa May. It would create a similar problem to that of the partitioned Ireland island. |
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Post by andy on Jun 21, 2024 20:53:01 GMT
... Pretending Scotland can trade freely with the rest of Great Britain and rejoin the EU doesn't sound realistic to me...I suspect negotiations will go about as well as they did for Theresa May. It would create a similar problem to that of the partitioned Ireland island. I doubt Scotland would have the leverage to negotiate such a deal from outside the EU and without the risk of violence erupting. |
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Post by willien on Jun 21, 2024 21:25:02 GMT
... Pretending Scotland can trade freely with the rest of Great Britain and rejoin the EU doesn't sound realistic to me...I suspect negotiations will go about as well as they did for Theresa May. It would create a similar problem to that of the partitioned Ireland island. JohnY you have banged the drum on "Islands should not be divided for years" and a) Still no one but no one gives a crap, and b) comparing a possible independance of Scotland to the historic problem of the island of Ireland having been used for Great Britain's proxy wars for generations and the Ulster plantation having been effected to try to "control/solve" the "problem" is vacuous - at the very very best. Nobody is going to start an argument for your delectation or take your assertion seriously. Give it a rest old son.
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Post by kate on Jun 22, 2024 8:19:11 GMT
Farage
You can stop reading now if you like, but here's a thought about what he said about the current war in Ukraine.
It made me think about countries and Governments and their attitudes to land 'possession'. Scotland as part of the UK; Catalonia as part of Spain; Hong Kong as held by China; the battle by Palestine for its land - all held avariciously by their 'owners' and denied their independence if that is desired. We really have no right to the 'high ground' and to be righteous. The UK Government is selective in its acknowledgement of a country's right to independence.
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Post by zou on Jun 22, 2024 13:34:19 GMT
Had my first electioneering encounter today. Opened the door to a young Labour campaigner with a Douglas Alexander leaflet. "Not a chance in hell" and door shut. Only opened because I saw someone in red through the frosted glass and assumed it was the postie. Still no other campaigning leaflets through the letterbox yet.
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Post by willien on Jun 22, 2024 13:54:10 GMT
Had my first electioneering encounter today. Opened the door to a young Labour campaigner with a Douglas Alexander leaflet. "Not a chance in hell" and door shut. Only opened because I saw someone in red through the frosted glass and assumed it was the postie. Still no other campaigning leaflets through the letterbox yet. Could have been worse - your Labour candidate might be Wendy.  |
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Post by zou on Jun 22, 2024 14:09:56 GMT
Had my first electioneering encounter today. Opened the door to a young Labour campaigner with a Douglas Alexander leaflet. "Not a chance in hell" and door shut. Only opened because I saw someone in red through the frosted glass and assumed it was the postie. Still no other campaigning leaflets through the letterbox yet. Could have been worse - your Labour candidate might be Wendy. Well at least I've met her, and can confirm she is the more intelligent of the two. Nasty gobshite, but smarter than her brother. |
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Post by willien on Jun 22, 2024 17:22:03 GMT
Could have been worse - your Labour candidate might be Wendy. Well at least I've met her, and can confirm she is the more intelligent of the two. Nasty gobshite, but smarter than her brother. Never met either but that ties in with my opinions. IMO Douglas is that sad thing a thick academic.
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Post by mick on Jun 23, 2024 10:08:25 GMT
The Scottish Government proposes setting up a dedicated "Building a New Scotland Fund" to invest up to Ā£20 billion over the first decade of an independent Scotland. This would be funded from oil and gas revenues and other windfall income, and where necessary from borrowing.
Speeding up the just transition to net zero, tackling climate change and moving to a lower cost energy system.
Am I the only one to see a contradiction in the above two sentences? They are (more or less) consecutive sentences in the "Building a New Scotland" document issued by the SNP.
To another subject. I saw our new Tory Candidate on TV this morning. Singularly unimpressive, a clear lightweight.
Mick
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Post by geoffr on Jun 23, 2024 14:36:05 GMT
I spoke to a gentleman in Waitrose, High Wycombe yesterday. Apparently in Henley where he lives Labour are fielding a āno hoperā in a seat they donāt think they have a chance of winning. The Conservatives are, he said, worried about the Liberal Democrats, in one of the safest seats in the country. Seems the political parties are manipulating the election. Labour field a no hope candidate and all their voters vote LD to get the Conservative out, very democratic.
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Post by JohnY on Jun 23, 2024 14:52:12 GMT
I spoke to a gentleman in Waitrose, High Wycombe yesterday. Apparently in Henley where he lives Labour are fielding a āno hoperā in a seat they donāt think they have a chance of winning. The Conservatives are, he said, worried about the Liberal Democrats, in one of the safest seats in the country. Seems the political parties are manipulating the election. Labour field a no hope candidate and all their voters vote LD to get the Conservative out, very democratic. Yes. It is democratic. You can vote for any candidate whom you like. Tactical voting is neither immoral or illegal.
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Post by andy on Jun 23, 2024 16:13:41 GMT
The Scottish Government proposes setting up a dedicated "Building a New Scotland Fund" to invest up to Ā£20 billion over the first decade of an independent Scotland. This would be funded from oil and gas revenues and other windfall income, and where necessary from borrowing. Speeding up the just transition to net zero, tackling climate change and moving to a lower cost energy system. Am I the only one to see a contradiction in the above two sentences? They are (more or less) consecutive sentences in the "Building a New Scotland" document issued by the SNP. They spent, IIRC, Ā£6 million of taxpayers money to come up with that nonsense. Their plan has more holes in it than my underwear! Did you see any mention of Scotland's share of UK national debt in the independence plans? There was an interesting court ruling recently in England about a new fossil fuel extraction site having to include the environmental impact of burning what they produce in their environmental impact assessment. I think the people that say it should, rightfully IMHO, be included won an appeal to have a court case to decide. |
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Post by willien on Jun 23, 2024 17:48:44 GMT
I spoke to a gentleman in Waitrose, High Wycombe yesterday. Apparently in Henley where he lives Labour are fielding a āno hoperā in a seat they donāt think they have a chance of winning. The Conservatives are, he said, worried about the Liberal Democrats, in one of the safest seats in the country. Seems the political parties are manipulating the election. Labour field a no hope candidate and all their voters vote LD to get the Conservative out, very democratic. Yes. It is democratic. You can vote for any candidate whom you like. Tactical voting is neither immoral or illegal.
Though it can backfire. At the last Holyrood election I, and doubtless countless other Nats, cast my constituancy vote for the Scottish Greens on the grounds that they are also an independance party (plus I believe green issues are important and need addressed) and much more likely to benefit from a constituancy vote than the SNP. That turned out well - not.
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Post by peterba on Jun 23, 2024 20:31:49 GMT
Labour field a no hope candidate and all their voters vote LD to get the Conservative out
The situation's much worse than that in our constituency, Geoff. The Tories are fielding a 'no-hope' candidate, but he's almost certainly going to win.
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Post by MJB on Jun 23, 2024 20:47:30 GMT
In our constituency the Labour candidate is ahead in the opinion polls. She must be crapping herself that she might overturn the 29000 majority of the Tory incumbent. There's a huge difference between southeast London and rural Wiltshire.
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