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Post by steveandthedogs on Dec 20, 2022 8:55:29 GMT
I'll believe it when I see it, though it would be nice.
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Post by zou on Dec 20, 2022 11:07:14 GMT
I'll believe it when I see it, though it would be nice.
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Nice, something to watch at lunchtime. |
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Post by mark101 on Dec 20, 2022 11:31:10 GMT
I'm still in love with my first real camera, the Spotmatic F. I sold it years ago to a friend who still uses it, although the meter has died.
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Post by zou on Dec 20, 2022 13:01:08 GMT
I have now watched the video and read the announcement on the website. My reaction is as follows:
**** yeah!
(Will write something more considered later)
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Post by zou on Dec 20, 2022 20:38:26 GMT
The video was a roller-coaster of emotions. I was a little disappointed when they said they'd start with a compact, then I thought "oh wait, Pentax/Ricoh, so maybe a film GR that doesn't disintegrate!" but then they said not simply reintroducing old models. Having said that a fixed lens AF compact (even fully auto with exposure comp) could really sell for the (ahem) hipster market. Yes I would like a new GR/GR21 but let's be honest, those won't come with the affordability they state is their aim.
As for a SLR? Hmm. Time will tell. They state a desire to make a fully mechanical SLR, at which point (had I not the restraint of an ascetic monk) I could have been rolling delirious on the floor of my office getting strange looks from the boss. "Take my money" is often said, but rarely meant.
Having read the statement too, I think what is clear is that they are not certain that the full plans will be realised. Whatever comes first will set the mark, and they cannot afford to miss. It also sounds likely they'll outsource manufacture, being "Pentax-branded" cameras, albeit presumably to their spec/standards. I'd be disappointed if we just get another rebadged Cosina but ultimately that may be as much as we can hope for.
So right now I am full of hope but also realism and pragmatism. I will shoot my K2 with ongoing joy, and hope that it doesn't break before they have a replacement!
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Post by John Farrell on Dec 20, 2022 21:05:33 GMT
I would imagine that Cosina would still be able to make SLR cameras. They could resurrect the Bessaflex, rebranded as a Pentax. |
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Post by geoffr on Dec 20, 2022 22:09:24 GMT
As I said on the AP forum, Nikon only discontinued the F6 in 2020. This suggests that the expertise to produce a film camera is still around. Of course the F6 might not be seen as affordable, but it is/was a film camera. Let’s see how Pentax get on.
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Post by nickr on Dec 20, 2022 22:39:39 GMT
As I said on the AP forum, Nikon only discontinued the F6 in 2020. This suggests that the expertise to produce a film camera is still around. Of course the F6 might not be seen as affordable, but it is/was a film camera. Let’s see how Pentax get on. Yes, but we don't know when Nikon actually made the last F6 - my suspicion is that it was long before that, but they had fairly sizable stocks. Much the same applied to Canon and the EOS 1V. Both excellent cameras, for sure. I like the idea of working up to producing a fully mechanical camera - I'll start a thread on my search for just such a thing, I think. |
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Post by geoffr on Dec 20, 2022 23:00:07 GMT
As I said on the AP forum, Nikon only discontinued the F6 in 2020. This suggests that the expertise to produce a film camera is still around. Of course the F6 might not be seen as affordable, but it is/was a film camera. Let’s see how Pentax get on. Yes, but we don't know when Nikon actually made the last F6 - my suspicion is that it was long before that, but they had fairly sizable stocks. Much the same applied to Canon and the EOS 1V. Both excellent cameras, for sure. I like the idea of working up to producing a fully mechanical camera - I'll start a thread on my search for just such a thing, I think. Good point Nick, I wouldn’t like to guess at when production ceased but even so the fact that they were prepared to support it under warranty suggests that some expertise was still available. It would be a very brave/foolish move to offer a warranty that couldn’t be delivered. Which prompts speculation as to whether there is still stock but nobody to support it (unlikely). Pentax have held an interesting position for some years, stick with SLRs and pretty much ignore mirrorless. Now they have a plan to reintroduce a top end film SLR. Both Canon and Nikon have a larger market share than Pentax but determined that there was no place for film. It may be that a niche player is better placed to support film from a financial perspective, batch production rather than continuous. Canon and Nikon DSLRs were derived from their respective film bodies, with considerable similarities. An F5 with the focusing speed and capability of a D5 would be an interesting machine. All just gum beating for now, let’s see how Pentax get on with their project. |
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Post by zou on May 12, 2023 9:27:38 GMT
That's the next videos released earlier this morning. More info about the development of the compact, with manual lever film advance.
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Post by don on May 12, 2023 10:13:43 GMT
I gave up watching as I doubt I would buy one , not may people will. Digital is never going away and film is just so costly. It’s a great idea but destined for failure
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Post by nimbus on May 12, 2023 11:47:49 GMT
I gave up watching as I doubt I would buy one , not may people will. Digital is never going away and film is just so costly. It’s a great idea but destined for failure I would regard the equipment as being the least problem in the use of film. There are still plenty of fully functioning camera bodies to be had, the more modern models such as the Nikon F80 having good functionality with late F mount lenses made for digital use. The real problem lies with the availability, range and price of film, Fuji have discontinued most lines and those that remain are expensive and difficult to obtain. Kodak supply seems better but again prices have increased massively and personally in general I much prefer Fuji. The number of processing labs has also diminished greatly and mounting is no longer available for reversal films. Shooting transparencies now works out at at least £1 per shot on 35mm with fresh film stock, processing and the cost of mounts. I have a Pentax 645 and I'm seriously thinking of selling, there is now no colour negative film available that I like, that being what I used in it. |
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Post by don on May 12, 2023 21:19:17 GMT
I gave up watching as I doubt I would buy one , not may people will. Digital is never going away and film is just so costly. It’s a great idea but destined for failure I would regard the equipment as being the least problem in the use of film. There are still plenty of fully functioning camera bodies to be had, the more modern models such as the Nikon F80 having good functionality with late F mount lenses made for digital use. The real problem lies with the availability, range and price of film, Fuji have discontinued most lines and those that remain are expensive and difficult to obtain. Kodak supply seems better but again prices have increased massively and personally in general I much prefer Fuji. The number of processing labs has also diminished greatly and mounting is no longer available for reversal films. Shooting transparencies now works out at at least £1 per shot on 35mm with fresh film stock, processing and the cost of mounts. I have a Pentax 645 and I'm seriously thinking of selling, there is now no colour negative film available that I like, that being what I used in it. And how much per shot is digital? If you print a picture it costs pennies |
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Post by neilt3 on May 12, 2023 23:34:19 GMT
I would regard the equipment as being the least problem in the use of film. There are still plenty of fully functioning camera bodies to be had, the more modern models such as the Nikon F80 having good functionality with late F mount lenses made for digital use. The real problem lies with the availability, range and price of film, Fuji have discontinued most lines and those that remain are expensive and difficult to obtain. Kodak supply seems better but again prices have increased massively and personally in general I much prefer Fuji. The number of processing labs has also diminished greatly and mounting is no longer available for reversal films. Shooting transparencies now works out at at least £1 per shot on 35mm with fresh film stock, processing and the cost of mounts. I have a Pentax 645 and I'm seriously thinking of selling, there is now no colour negative film available that I like, that being what I used in it. And how much per shot is digital? If you print a picture it costs pennies Including the camera and new lenses ? Selling a 645 camera due to film options might mean getting a digital alternative to replace it with for the same type of images ( APS-C or 35mm full frame doesn't necessarily do that ). How much is a current medium format digital camera ? Divide that by the shots you take and print . Not pennies anymore . I shoot film and digital , but the film I use is mostly B&W or infrared B&W 135,120 and large format up to 10"x8" , but for colour I mostly prefer my full frame digital . I've a large stock of film and I develop my own , so costs aren't that much . Certainly much cheaper than buying a medium format digital camera . |
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Post by peterba on May 13, 2023 7:32:27 GMT
Including the camera and new lenses ? Selling a 645 camera due to film options might mean getting a digital alternative to replace it with for the same type of images ( APS-C or 35mm full frame doesn't necessarily do that ). How much is a current medium format digital camera ? Divide that by the shots you take and print . Not pennies anymore .
That's right. The amount that I have spent on digital photography has vastly exceeded the amount that I've spent on film photography..... and that's despite the fact that I've been using film for around twice as long as I've been using digital.
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