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Post by dreampolice on Jul 27, 2024 20:29:02 GMT
I'm on an iPhone 14 and TBH I tend to use that far more than my cameras. Unless I actually go out with the intention of taking photos I will not have a camera with me. The IQ is very good too which helps. As mentioned in another thread, I hardly used my camera last week in Detroit. If I took 10 photos with my camera I'd be surprised.
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Post by MJB on Jul 27, 2024 20:35:34 GMT
I'm sure I read something recently that far from being obsolete, compact cameras are the biggest growth area for new camera sales.
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Post by zou on Jul 27, 2024 20:54:19 GMT
I'm sure I read something recently that far from being obsolete, compact cameras are the biggest growth area for new camera sales. Yeah but that's 90% down to the Pentax 17 flying off the shelves.  |
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Post by daves on Jul 27, 2024 21:18:53 GMT
To be clear, I wasn't suggesting that people ditch their DSLR cameras for a smartphone, rather seeking opinions. A DSLR will always (?) be better, my thought was along the lines (As I intimated) that the best camera is the one you have with you, and to that end a phone with a very good camera could well fulfil that role.
Some of the latest phones (The Xiaomi 14 Ultra being one) have respectably large sensors.
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Post by peterob on Jul 27, 2024 21:21:04 GMT
Looking at the more recent "premium" smartphones I see a lot of them make a "thing" of their cameras, I'm thinking especially of the Xiomi 14 Ultra (Other bankrupting phones are available) with its leica optics and optional "photographers kit" which includes a filter ring (But missing the obligatory red dot). So what are peoples' thoughts on the matter (Assuming anybody's given it any thought). I'm minded of the adge that "the best camera is the one you have with you", and a phone is something most people will have in their pockets or handbags. These camera phones can, it appears, do a good job of replacing the (Now obsolete?) compact cameras of yore. I'm putting this in General Discussion but Martin may want to consign it to one of the more remote regions of the forum Not my thing. As far as I'm concerned a phone is a phone and a camera is a camera. I carry a phone in case I need to make an emergency call and to use for the obligatory two-factor authentication. I have a smart-phone because I used to have one for work but I don't really use it. I understand that one day I might need it to run an application in order to pay for a ticket to park the car [ how this works I don't know] once carparks don't accept card payments. Quite why people want cameras to talk to phones/ipads/computers wirelessly these days I don't know. I suppose that it won't be long before cameras will have built in telephony. |
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Post by Chester PB on Jul 27, 2024 21:24:51 GMT
This may appear unusual, but I still own (and occasionally use) what some people like to call a 'dumb phone'. It is mostly used to display text messages with codes to access internet banking and other websites (like Amazon) that also use this authentication, and for a few very short outgoing voice calls if I am away from home (about £3 last year). It has a 'camera' with 640x480 resolution which I have never used, but it would be adequate for recording images for insurance claim purposes in the case of a traffic collision. Also, a mobile like this is of no interest to thieves.
If I could no longer carry my APS-C DSLR camera body and one or two lenses, I would probably look for one of the Panasonic 'compact' cameras with a zoom lens equivalent to 18-70 mm (or as near as I could find). From what I read about the size and weight of a camera like this, its height and length might be less than those of a smartphone, only its thickness preventing it living in a small pocket. I would keep my existing mobile that is much smaller than a smartphone.
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Post by willien on Jul 27, 2024 21:28:05 GMT
The best camera being the one you have with you being one of the considerations. If my current phone was a convenient size then it would probably be no contest - with "you are always gonna have your phone on ya" winning out.
I would probably want the security of a good compact just in case though.
Smart phones are...smart and possibly make too many assumptions. Plus the colour temp can be shite - see my fox photo in can we weather the weather.
On the other hand, not convinced a good compact would have got as good "Northern Lights" images as I got with the S21 without some serious tog intervention.
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Post by dreampolice on Jul 28, 2024 7:20:54 GMT
This may appear unusual, but I still own (and occasionally use) what some people like to call a 'dumb phone'.
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Post by andy on Jul 28, 2024 7:44:45 GMT
What I would find unusual these days is a smartphone with software that actually works properly. A relatively new feature on one of my Samsungs is in the phone app there are now 2 white circles that mostly overlap but are slightly offset from each other to use as the shutter button.
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Post by dreampolice on Jul 28, 2024 7:57:27 GMT
I am happy with the software for my iPhone, but that's all I have known for many years now, other than work phones of Blackberry (dreadful) and then a Samsung smartphone (which I didn't really like but probably because I wasn't used to the OS).
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Post by peterob on Jul 28, 2024 9:02:19 GMT
I am happy with the software for my iPhone, but that's all I have known for many years now, other than work phones of Blackberry (dreadful) and then a Samsung smartphone (which I didn't really like but probably because I wasn't used to the OS). The Blackberry was such a revelation when it came out. I remember the ability to have a street map was very useful when travelling for business. There is a wonderful [to my warped sense of humour] book "Who Moved my Blackberry" by Lucy Kellaway (ex Financial Times columnist) which is an object lesson in the dangers of the easy communications which we all now take for granted. I'm now an iphone convert having been issued one when I changed role in 2008. |
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Post by zou on Jul 28, 2024 9:43:29 GMT
I haven't a single positive thing to say about any of the Samsung phones I've used. But you all know that already.
The iPhone camera nailed white balance years before most compact digitals did. I'd go as far as to say that the iPhone camera is probably the reason compacts with tiny sensors mostly died, and generally only the ones with big sensors survived.
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Post by daves on Jul 28, 2024 9:55:47 GMT
Most camera phones with any aspirations to high end will have the option of recording in Raw format which will allow colour balance to be adjusted in post. Even my old, not very high end, One Plus has the option of Raw.
But being me I would like the option to record in 16 bit FITS, but that's me and you could probably guess that 🤣
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Post by daves on Jul 28, 2024 10:29:35 GMT
Plenty of reviews on YT but this one caught my attention.
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Post by Chester PB on Jul 28, 2024 17:57:16 GMT
This may appear unusual, but I still own (and occasionally use) what some people like to call a 'dumb phone'.
Nope. I for one, don't find it unusual that you do. Also, it's only the third mobile phone I have owned since buying the first one in 1999. That one, and its successor had to both be thrown away because when I needed to buy a new battery none were available because they were obsolete. My current mobile one uses a 'standard' type of battery that is also used by some compact cameras and other small devices, and I easily got a new battery a few months ago for about £10. The idea of owning a device for which I cannot replace the battery myself appears ridiculous unless there is no alternative (smartphones?). The only device I own with a battery that I cannot replace myself is a Kindle - the Youtube videos about how to do this are not encouraging. |
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