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Post by nimbus on Jun 3, 2023 8:08:21 GMT
Bummer. Still good for macro and landscape? Nope. Not good for anything. This is one of the test shots I took the other day. 50mm View AttachmentIt has it's own charms! My D800 with 20k or so stands me in at around £400, I bought it about 18months ago, I wouldn't know quite what I would do if it dies on me, although I have a D610 as well which I've had a long time. I looked at the Z6 when it was launched and didn't really like it much, the problem is to equal the D800 it would need to be a Z7, which is more than I want to shell out for a camera. |
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Post by andy on Jun 3, 2023 8:25:23 GMT
Was it that fuzzy before it went for repair? Seems like something is out of alignment rather just auto focus not working.
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Post by nickr on Jun 3, 2023 9:14:59 GMT
I've got the Fuji XT-2 which is a fun camera to take around, but I've only got a couple of lenses and nothing that would be suitable for work. I also find that the Fuji doesn't handle so well at a crowded event with low lights. Yes it is difficult when it is for work. I do still have, and prefer to use, the Canon cameras. The one thing I miss is the exposure preview and having to go back to estimating exposure compensation. The latest ELVs are very much improved but still not "perfect". The biggest bugbear is startup time from sleep and the second is ergonomics - Canon EOS are more straightforward to use. I'm guessing that Canon R, Sony, Nikon Z, Fuji X are probably quite alike simply because they are so complex. I still think of Canon R as first generation and that the next generation will be more interesting. I am able to be patient, it is only a hobby. I think the Nikon Z and Canon R are fairly similar, the Sony a little bit, but Fuji is very, very different. Canon R is very much like using an EOS DSLR, but with mirrorless benefits (and disadvantages, to be sure), and I think Nikon Z is similar in relation to Nikon - although perhaps a touch more Canon-like, I personally find them a lot more intuitive than other Nikons. I'm impressed by the cameras from both that I've used. Helps that I find the viewfinders on both systems perfectly usable, which isn't the case with the Sonys I've tried (up to the A9 in release date terms) or indeed the Fujis - only one I got on with was the original X-Pro in Hybrid mode (liked that a lot!). But also although the Fujis look great, I really don't think the control systems are fit for purpose for everything. If I want to use a shutter speed dial and an aperture ring, I'll use one of my old film cameras. But if I'm using a digital camera, I want to be able to use it one-handed, changing shutter speed and aperture at the same time if I need to. I also want - need - more agile AF than any Fuji I've had a go with. I would absolutely hate to use Fujis for my conference shooting or for sport, for instance, but for some other shooting, great fun. EOS R cameras first generation? Well not really, I think - EOS M was first generation, and by the EOS M6 II, that had moved way beyond that. The R and RP were a first go at full frame, but the R5 and R6 moved way beyond, particularly with regard to AF systems, and the R3 has moved it on again. The R8 looks like a fine replacement for the R and RP, moving their game along, and the R7 in particular, R10, R50 and R100 look like a fairly well fleshed-out APS-C range. In Nikon land, the Mk II models and other recent introductions appear to have done the same thing. Now if I were Fen, what would I do? Dunno. D800s appear to be pretty cheap on the used market, it's a seamless replacement - but you're running the risk of another unrepairable camera, and it obviously doesn't offer anything extra. The D850 looks like it's going to cost a very similar amount to a used Z7. Something completely different is going to require a new lens set, and that's not going to be cheap to get similar ability, so I wouldn't personally do that - unless I could get a VERY good price for my existing lenses. Tricky choice. |
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Post by Fenris on Jun 3, 2023 12:28:55 GMT
Surely, it would be usable with some classic MF lenses, via an appropriate adapter? I realise that this might not be ideal for you, but surely it would be better than binning it? If not - send it to me!   To be honest, I haven't tried manual focus with it. It might work, but I wouldn't be able to use it for work if I'm at an event as it would be impossible to manually focus as quick as I'd need  I'll try the manual focus, but being as everything looked in focus through the viewfinder when I took the photographs I'm not a 100% sure it will be any different focussing manually. |
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Post by Fenris on Jun 3, 2023 12:31:39 GMT
Was it that fuzzy before it went for repair? Seems like something is out of alignment rather just auto focus not working. It was that fuzzy with all lenses across all apertures. I tried it with four different lenses  |
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Post by Fenris on Jun 3, 2023 12:39:43 GMT
Now if I were Fen, what would I do? Dunno. D800s appear to be pretty cheap on the used market, it's a seamless replacement - but you're running the risk of another unrepairable camera, and it obviously doesn't offer anything extra. The D850 looks like it's going to cost a very similar amount to a used Z7. Something completely different is going to require a new lens set, and that's not going to be cheap to get similar ability, so I wouldn't personally do that - unless I could get a VERY good price for my existing lenses. As you know I've got the Nikon "Holy Trinity" of lenses and even second hand they go for a decent amount. The problem is that I haven't been keeping up with updates/new releases for quite some time so completely out of the loop as to what new gear is out there. I looked at the Z6 and like nimbus, didn't really like the feel of it and then bought the Fuji XT-2 I think the short term solution will be to get another D800 (at least I can still do work then) and look around for something else for upgrade/replacement. |
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Post by geoffr on Jun 3, 2023 13:46:57 GMT
As you know I've got the Nikon "Holy Trinity" of lenses and even second hand they go for a decent amount. When did you last look? The 14-24 might get you £400 ish in really good condition 24-70 G £300 70-200 G VR II £350-£400 This based on 50% of what MPB are asking for them. If you have the later E 24-70 and 70-200 they will obviously fetch more. I think MPB offer around that much based on the lenses I sold recently. If what I am seeing on their web page is correct F mount is a buyers market at the moment. |
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Post by Fenris on Jun 3, 2023 14:43:58 GMT
When did you last look? The 14-24 might get you £400 ish in really good condition 24-70 G £300 70-200 G VR II £350-£400 This based on 50% of what MPB are asking for them. If you have the later E 24-70 and 70-200 they will obviously fetch more. I think MPB offer around that much based on the lenses I sold recently. If what I am seeing on their web page is correct F mount is a buyers market at the moment. Had offers: Nikon AF-S 14-24mm f/2.8G ED - Boxed -- £700 Nikon AF-S 24-70mm f/2.8 E ED VR N - Boxed -- £1000 Nikon AF-S 70-200mm f/2.8G II ED VR - Boxed -- £800 Not that I want to sell them. They are such lovely lenses, want to keep using them. |
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Post by geoffr on Jun 3, 2023 15:44:48 GMT
When did you last look? The 14-24 might get you £400 ish in really good condition 24-70 G £300 70-200 G VR II £350-£400 This based on 50% of what MPB are asking for them. If you have the later E 24-70 and 70-200 they will obviously fetch more. I think MPB offer around that much based on the lenses I sold recently. If what I am seeing on their web page is correct F mount is a buyers market at the moment. Had offers: Nikon AF-S 14-24mm f/2.8G ED - Boxed -- £700 Nikon AF-S 24-70mm f/2.8 E ED VR N - Boxed -- £1000 Nikon AF-S 70-200mm f/2.8G II ED VR - Boxed -- £800 Interesting!
These lenses are selling for prices close to what you have been offered, obviously they may not be in quite such good condition as yours, doesn't appear to leave much margin, negative in some cases where the 70-200 is concerned.
Nikon AF-S 14-24mm f/2.8G ED - Boxed -- £804 from MPB, £793 from WEX Park don't have one. Mifsuds £997
Nikon AF-S 24-70mm f/2.8 E ED VR N - Boxed -- £1019 from MPB, £1149 from Park Cameras, £991 from WEX
Nikon AF-S 70-200mm f/2.8G II ED VR - Boxed -- £754 from MPB, £729 from Park Cameras, £729 from WEX, Mifsuds £899.
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Post by Fenris on Jun 3, 2023 16:13:40 GMT
As I said, rather not sell them. Want to use them |
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Post by JohnY on Jun 3, 2023 20:10:46 GMT
Now if I were Fen, what would I do? Dunno. D800s appear to be pretty cheap on the used market, it's a seamless replacement - but you're running the risk of another unrepairable camera, and it obviously doesn't offer anything extra. The D850 looks like it's going to cost a very similar amount to a used Z7. Something completely different is going to require a new lens set, and that's not going to be cheap to get similar ability, so I wouldn't personally do that - unless I could get a VERY good price for my existing lenses. As you know I've got the Nikon "Holy Trinity" of lenses and even second hand they go for a decent amount. The problem is that I haven't been keeping up with updates/new releases for quite some time so completely out of the loop as to what new gear is out there. I looked at the Z6 and like nimbus, didn't really like the feel of it and then bought the Fuji XT-2 I think the short term solution will be to get another D800 (at least I can still do work then) and look around for something else for upgrade/replacement. From a dealer with a 6 month guarantee = 6 months breathing space to save, investigate, and work. I happen to know that LCE have a D800 with a ridiculously low shutter count that was used for one paying project and only occasionally afterwards. (unless it has gone already). |
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Post by geoffr on Jun 3, 2023 21:02:10 GMT
As I said, rather not sell them. Want to use them So would I. You need either another D800 or a D850 then. |
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Post by Chester PB on Jun 4, 2023 17:33:04 GMT
Could the problem be something as simple as the electrical contacts on the body needing to be carefully cleaned with a minute amount of (perhaps) surgical spirit or vodka on a cotton bud? I recall reading about this problem on the old AP Forum, an you don't have much to lose by trying it.
I once had a problem with one of my older lenses no longer working correctly with my DSLR body, and cleaning the contacts on the lens fixed it. All the other lenses worked as normal, so the lens was the suspect. But in your case it may be the camera body.
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Post by zou on Jun 4, 2023 17:54:41 GMT
Could the problem be something as simple as the electrical contacts on the body needing to be carefully cleaned with a minute amount of (perhaps) surgical spirit or vodka on a cotton bud? I recall reading about this problem on the old AP Forum, an you don't have much to lose by trying it. I once had a problem with one of my older lenses no longer working correctly with my DSLR body, and cleaning the contacts on the lens fixed it. All the other lenses worked as normal, so the lens was the suspect. But in your case it may be the camera body. Unlikely that Nikon would have said no fix if that was the case? |
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Post by JohnY on Jun 4, 2023 20:56:05 GMT
Could the problem be something as simple as the electrical contacts on the body needing to be carefully cleaned with a minute amount of (perhaps) surgical spirit or vodka on a cotton bud? I recall reading about this problem on the old AP Forum, an you don't have much to lose by trying it. I once had a problem with one of my older lenses no longer working correctly with my DSLR body, and cleaning the contacts on the lens fixed it. All the other lenses worked as normal, so the lens was the suspect. But in your case it may be the camera body. Unlikely that Nikon would have said no fix if that was the case? I thought that that potential issue was ruled out.
Fen needs a camera that can be the tool that earns him a living. Most of us here are amateurs. We could get by with a stable of ancient box cameras and a Nikon D200. One of our members demonstrates that admirably.
I wrote that I would not express an opinion. I am going back on that. To a professional or trade's man, investment in tools is essential.
Going Nikon mirrorless without a Z 9 or Z 8 loses many features that users of the 'serious' Nikon cameras depended.
If cash is tight then get a D800 with at least 6 month guarantee. (Read the small print. Professional use may void that guarantee.) If cash isn't tight then the Z8 or Z9 is the way to go. Lower level Z are very nice but the user interface is lacking. I've studied them and even hired a Z 7 ii with lens and FTZ. I preferred my DX D500 to a Z 7 ii. Seriously let me repeat that, I preferred my DX D500 to a Z 7 ii. Why? 3D tracking, and the ability to engage AF with a change of AF method with one button.
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