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Post by JohnY on May 4, 2023 21:41:13 GMT
Most of our legally present population now has photo and not photo ID. The next task is to reconcile and blend our main national data bases. National insurance number, passport number, driving licence number, NHS number, various travel pass numbers and of course the voting ID number.. Next stage is to get photos associated with the new national data base. When that is well under way will come DNA ID. I am just stating this as near fact. What do folks think about this? For what it isn't worth, my own view is that national ID is inevitable and useful but could be abused. I wouldn't want Crapita being contracted to do this work. The amount of data is tiny. It would fit on a SQL server DB hosted by a slightly up market desktop PC. Quite frightening in a way. The practical database issues are just caused by so many people, authorised and rogue, requiring access. In practice a modest sized data centre could serve the database.
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Post by peterob on May 5, 2023 6:19:46 GMT
Can't come quickly enough. Neither my wife nor I have photo id. and it is an awful nuisance. Being disenfranchised is especially galling.
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Post by andy on May 5, 2023 6:36:16 GMT
Can't come quickly enough. Neither my wife nor I have photo id. and it is an awful nuisance. Being disenfranchised is especially galling. I believe that was the plan...disenfranchise groups that are likely to be lefties. There's a certificate you can get for free though... www.gov.uk/apply-for-photo-id-voter-authority-certificate |
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Post by mick on May 5, 2023 6:52:16 GMT
Someone I know reckons it's all a plot to "control us". He also mistrusts the BBC but completely trusts some website that you will never have heard of. And so on.
Mick
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Post by mick on May 5, 2023 7:02:15 GMT
Can't come quickly enough. Neither my wife nor I have photo id. and it is an awful nuisance. Being disenfranchised is especially galling. I'm not sure whether to take this post seriously. Are you saying that neither of you has a driving licence, bus pass or passport or any of the other photo cards in use?
If you are saying that, then being disenfranchised is your own fault. There's been plenty of publicity and loads of opportunity to get photo ID (free). Very sorry but if you've ignored it all then I can't feel sympathy for you.
It was inevitable that something needed to be done in the face of increasing voter fraud, especially in certain parts of the population where "Dad", the head of the family, felt that he had the right to vote on behalf of the whole family.
Mick
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Post by zou on May 5, 2023 7:05:33 GMT
Can't come quickly enough. Neither my wife nor I have photo id. and it is an awful nuisance. Being disenfranchised is especially galling. I'm not sure whether to take this post seriously. Are you saying that neither of you has a driving licence, bus pass or passport or any of the other photo cards in use?
If you are saying that, then being disenfranchised is your own fault. There's been plenty of publicity and loads of opportunity to get photo ID (free). Very sorry but if you've ignored it all then I can't feel sympathy for you.
It was inevitable that something needed to be done in the face of increasing voter fraud, especially in certain parts of the population where "Dad", the head of the family, felt that he had the right to vote on behalf of the whole family.
Mick
You got any stats to back up that assertion? |
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Post by peterob on May 5, 2023 7:11:44 GMT
Can't come quickly enough. Neither my wife nor I have photo id. and it is an awful nuisance. Being disenfranchised is especially galling. I'm not sure whether to take this post seriously. Are you saying that neither of you has a driving licence, bus pass or passport or any of the other photo cards in use?
If you are saying that, then being disenfranchised is your own fault. There's been plenty of publicity and loads of opportunity to get photo ID (free). Very sorry but if you've ignored it all then I can't feel sympathy for you.
It was inevitable that something needed to be done in the face of increasing voter fraud, especially in certain parts of the population where "Dad", the head of the family, felt that he had the right to vote on behalf of the whole family.
Mick
Paper driving licences. No passports. Not seen anything about other forms of photo-id that would be suitable. |
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Post by peterob on May 5, 2023 7:16:33 GMT
Can't come quickly enough. Neither my wife nor I have photo id. and it is an awful nuisance. Being disenfranchised is especially galling. I believe that was the plan...disenfranchise groups that are likely to be lefties. There's a certificate you can get for free though... www.gov.uk/apply-for-photo-id-voter-authority-certificateThanks Andy. Not heard of that but it can't be used as a general id. only for voting. It seems impossible to do anything these days without a passport. |
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Photo ID
May 5, 2023 8:02:44 GMT
via mobile
Post by andy on May 5, 2023 8:02:44 GMT
Thanks Andy. Not heard of that but it can't be used as a general id. only for voting. It seems impossible to do anything these days without a passport. Aye, just for voting. It all seems like an unnecessary complication to me and if I still worked as a butcher would likely be a regular topic of conversation over the counter. |
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Photo ID
May 5, 2023 8:09:16 GMT
via mobile
Post by daves on May 5, 2023 8:09:16 GMT
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Post by MJB on May 5, 2023 8:31:48 GMT
I'm not sure whether to take this post seriously. Are you saying that neither of you has a driving licence, bus pass or passport or any of the other photo cards in use? If you are saying that, then being disenfranchised is your own fault. There's been plenty of publicity and loads of opportunity to get photo ID (free). Very sorry but if you've ignored it all then I can't feel sympathy for you. It was inevitable that something needed to be done in the face of increasing voter fraud, especially in certain parts of the population where "Dad", the head of the family, felt that he had the right to vote on behalf of the whole family.
Mick
You got any stats to back up that assertion? 9 convictions and 6 police cautions since 2018. Clearly voter fraud is rife. Meanwhile self-appointed so-called 'greeters' outside polling stations were turning people away rather than allowing the official staff do the job and make official records of voters denied the opportunity to vote. I have no photo ID. Until this change in the law, I've never needed one. Banks have been happy to lend me money, the government has been happy to collect taxes from me and fraud in both these instances is far more prevalent. Don't even get me started on what qualifies as acceptable ID. NHS staff being denied the vote as their ID badges were unsuitable, but pensioners able to vote on the strength of an Oyster card. |
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Post by JohnY on May 5, 2023 9:21:07 GMT
I'm not sure whether to take this post seriously. Are you saying that neither of you has a driving licence, bus pass or passport or any of the other photo cards in use?
If you are saying that, then being disenfranchised is your own fault. There's been plenty of publicity and loads of opportunity to get photo ID (free). Very sorry but if you've ignored it all then I can't feel sympathy for you.
It was inevitable that something needed to be done in the face of increasing voter fraud, especially in certain parts of the population where "Dad", the head of the family, felt that he had the right to vote on behalf of the whole family.
Mick
You got any stats to back up that assertion? "Dad" voting for a whole family is nothing to do with voting in person and need for an ID card; it is a misuse of the postal vote. |
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Post by peterob on May 5, 2023 14:15:26 GMT
While we were out walking today the utter absurdity of introducing a photo-id for voting but only for voting struck me truly. If it doesn't prove I'm me for other purposes than what is the damned point. How does it prove I'm me for voting? I'm on the electoral role, I'm issued a poll card, I'm ticked off the list when my vote is cast, so the id can't be misused. Crazy.
BTW - just for amusement. HMRC now requires photo-id for someone to register for self-assessment. Can't pay taxes (where not paying is an offence) without a photo-id. Mad. Quite mad.
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Post by Chester PB on May 5, 2023 15:26:56 GMT
My wife and I have used postal voting for over 20 years.
My local council's website says this about voter registration:
'Please note that applications are individual and you will need to include your national insurance number and date of birth as part of your application. If you cannot provide them, please state the reason why.'
And this about applying for postal voting:
'Anyone who is registered to vote can ask for a postal vote. Then your ballot paper will be posted to you to fill in and return.'
Nothing about 'photo ID', which appears to only apply to voting in person.
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Post by davem399 on May 5, 2023 16:51:09 GMT
I presented my drivers license to get my voting slips. The woman never even had a cursory glance at me and the licence to see if there was a match.
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