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Post by JohnY on May 14, 2023 21:55:27 GMT
Those guns that shoot hundreds of bullets a minute can only keep up that rate for a few seconds.
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Post by willien on May 14, 2023 22:02:28 GMT
You still get a minced cadaver.
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Post by geoffr on May 15, 2023 6:57:25 GMT
I recall many years ago hearing Alistair Cooke talking about the USA's love of guns on his Letter from America programme. He referred to the Constitution and explained that the original wording was something like 'a right to bear arms as part of an organised militia', which was relevant at the time so soon after gaining independence from the UK. However, in recent years I am not aware of any threat of armed invasion of the USA, and suspect that there are no longer 'organised militias' of the kind referred to in the Constitution. Also, when the Constitution was written, a handgun or rifle would have been a single shot device that needed reloading after each shot, whereas the current weapon of choice for a mass murderer in the USA appears to be a military device that can fire hundreds of bullets per minute and turns a body into mincemeat that has to be identified by comparing its DNA with that of a possible close relative (this example was given by police in a recent school shooting I read about). Back on page two I quoted the second amendment verbatim. |
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Post by geoffr on May 15, 2023 7:04:52 GMT
If I may, I see a situation where the amendment is being read out of context. I don’t have the website address to hand, but if you read the constitution with the amendments in their correct context you may form a different interpretation. I posted the relevant article, with the second amendment, on Facebook a year or so back. A friend in Seattle, on whose page I posted, replied that seeing the amended article in full made her see things differently. I will see if I can find the post and copy the relevant bits here.
Found, here's what I wrote on Facebook. The actual amendment reads, as I am sure you know:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Now the people who wrote the constitution spoke English that is different from that spoken today in the USA or the UK so we can't be absolutely sure what they intended but, I think they had in mind Section 1 article 8 paragraph 15 "To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;"
Paragraph 16 is also relevant "To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;"
My thought is that the right to keep and bear arms was intended to allow said militia to be mobilised without the need to assemble at a place that might, for what ever reason, be inaccessible. Reading the second amendment in isolation from the rest of the document is dangerous.
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Post by Chester PB on May 17, 2023 20:30:29 GMT
I recall many years ago hearing Alistair Cooke talking about the USA's love of guns on his Letter from America programme. He referred to the Constitution and explained that the original wording was something like 'a right to bear arms as part of an organised militia', which was relevant at the time so soon after gaining independence from the UK. However, in recent years I am not aware of any threat of armed invasion of the USA, and suspect that there are no longer 'organised militias' of the kind referred to in the Constitution. Also, when the Constitution was written, a handgun or rifle would have been a single shot device that needed reloading after each shot, whereas the current weapon of choice for a mass murderer in the USA appears to be a military device that can fire hundreds of bullets per minute and turns a body into mincemeat that has to be identified by comparing its DNA with that of a possible close relative (this example was given by police in a recent school shooting I read about). Back on page two I quoted the second amendment verbatim. I've seen that now and I'm glad that my memory of a radio programme I probably heard 30 years ago is so accurate |
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Post by willien on May 19, 2023 19:29:05 GMT
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Post by spinno on May 19, 2023 21:13:28 GMT
Expect a few rockets on Kyiv tonight |
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Post by willien on May 19, 2023 22:43:19 GMT
Expect a few rockets on Kyiv tonight Goanna happen anyway. |
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Post by andy on May 20, 2023 15:09:09 GMT
Tee hee...
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Post by don on May 30, 2023 10:43:28 GMT
There are so many things wrong with Americans but gun law is possibly the worst
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Post by andy on May 30, 2023 16:05:24 GMT
Apparently there wasn't a mass shooting in America the day before yesterday. Still looks like they are setting a new record for them though.
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Post by willien on May 30, 2023 18:28:16 GMT
Apparently there wasn't a mass shooting in America the day before yesterday. Still looks like they are setting a new record for them though. Truce did not last long. |
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Post by andy on May 30, 2023 19:02:56 GMT
Apparently there wasn't a mass shooting in America the day before yesterday. Still looks like they are setting a new record for them though. Truce did not last long. On course for only 3 days this month without a mass shooting? Odds are firmly in favour of there being another one tomorrow. |
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Post by geoffr on May 30, 2023 21:37:49 GMT
On course for only 3 days this month without a mass shooting? Odds are firmly in favour of there being another one tomorrow. How long will it take before the average American realises that to stop mass shootings you need to remove either the guns or the shooters. The NRA won’t allow restrictions on gun ownership but, the constitution says nothing about ammunition. Banning the sale of ammunition, except to members of a “disciplined militia” would solve both problems. |
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Post by andy on Jun 2, 2023 16:34:07 GMT
Not gun related as such but yikes....
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