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Post by squeamishossifrage on Apr 8, 2023 9:02:01 GMT
Folks are falling on their swords faster than the casualty count in Macbe... whoops - sorry, the Scottish play. There is a lot of information about what is going on, but damn' little about why it's going on. Did some SNP official feloniously divert half a million quid, or is that just wishful thinking on my part? Asking for a friend.  |
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Post by zou on Apr 8, 2023 9:24:22 GMT
High profile arrest, then released without charge. Must have needed something to put in the news bulletins. Really no idea what's going on but it seems clear that they could have interviewed him without arrest. It seems a bit Craggy Island...
Meanwhile in England, billions missing from public purse easily located in PPE contracts which broke procurement rules. No arrests. Huh.
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Post by squeamishossifrage on Apr 8, 2023 9:49:21 GMT
High profile arrest, then released without charge. Must have needed something to put in the news bulletins. Really no idea what's going on but it seems clear that they could have interviewed him without arrest. It seems a bit Craggy Island... That's part of the mystery to me - why arrest somebody when they could have just as easily called them in for questioning, you know, the old 'helping the police with their enquiries' bit? It definitely smacks of Keystone Cops. Meanwhile in England, billions missing from public purse easily located in PPE contracts which broke procurement rules. No arrests. Huh. You clearly don't understand the true relationship between party and government financing. Government exists to collect a very large pile of money in a centralized location so it is easier to steal from it, hopefully without getting noticed. If you do get caught, then just lie and obfuscate until the problem goes away. However, if party finances get ripped off then the party can't bribe the electorate, so they can't get into power, so they can't steal from that giant piggybank just awaiting their pilfering. Very self destructive! |
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Post by JohnY on Apr 8, 2023 11:02:43 GMT
Folks are falling on their swords faster than the casualty count in Macbe... whoops - sorry, the Scottish play. There is a lot of information about what is going on, but damn' little about why it's going on. Did some SNP official feloniously divert half a million quid, or is that just wishful thinking on my part? Asking for a friend. Its too early to gloat but the Labour party seem to be counting their chickens. |
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Post by zou on Apr 8, 2023 11:10:30 GMT
Folks are falling on their swords faster than the casualty count in Macbe... whoops - sorry, the Scottish play. There is a lot of information about what is going on, but damn' little about why it's going on. Did some SNP official feloniously divert half a million quid, or is that just wishful thinking on my part? Asking for a friend. Its too early to gloat but the Labour party seem to be counting their chickens. And they ain't even close to hatching. |
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Post by andy on Apr 8, 2023 12:18:21 GMT
Folks are falling on their swords faster than the casualty count in Macbe... whoops - sorry, the Scottish play. There is a lot of information about what is going on, but damn' little about why it's going on. Did some SNP official feloniously divert half a million quid, or is that just wishful thinking on my part? Asking for a friend. I suppose he had to fund the wife's wardrobe somehow . It would have been a better use for the money anyway. |
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Post by dreampolice on Apr 8, 2023 13:32:30 GMT
According to the news he has been released on bail. No he hasn’t been charged but if it is anything like in England you are released without charge as there is no evidence etc or released on bail whilst further enquiries/ advice from the CPS with a duty to return on the bail date, or released from his bail in the meantime. In an enquiry such as this it would be highly unlikely to be charged straight after initial detention. It would appear if the news is correct that this is what is happening. In England after someone is arrested for certain offences there is then a power to search under S32 or S18 PACE without a warrant. If he hadn’t have been arrested they would have needed to apply for a warrant. Arrest would seem to me to have been the most appropriate action. I don’t know much about Scottish law but it is fairly similar to England.
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Post by willien on Apr 8, 2023 13:33:21 GMT
Folks are falling on their swords faster than the casualty count in Macbe... whoops - sorry, the Scottish play. There is a lot of information about what is going on, but damn' little about why it's going on. Did some SNP official feloniously divert half a million quid, or is that just wishful thinking on my part? Asking for a friend. Its too early to gloat but the Labour party seem to be counting their chickens. Turkeys John, Turkeys. |
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Post by peterba on Apr 8, 2023 14:05:35 GMT
Government exists to collect a very large pile of money in a centralized location so it is easier to steal from it, hopefully without getting noticed. If you do get caught, then just lie and obfuscate until the problem goes away.
The question is: how have you managed to gain access to such detailed strategy * information from the Tory Party? Do you have an undercover contact working in the regime? I think we should be told! 
* admittedly, it is somewhat self-evident.  |
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Post by willien on Apr 8, 2023 14:28:57 GMT
According to the news he has been released on bail. No he hasn’t been charged but if it is anything like in England you are released without charge as there is no evidence etc or released on bail whilst further enquiries/ advice from the CPS with a duty to return on the bail date, or released from his bail in the meantime. In an enquiry such as this it would be highly unlikely to be charged straight after initial detention. It would appear if the news is correct that this is what is happening. In England after someone is arrested for certain offences there is then a power to search under S32 or S18 PACE without a warrant. If he hadn’t have been arrested they would have needed to apply for a warrant. Arrest would seem to me to have been the most appropriate action. I don’t know much about Scottish law but it is fairly similar to England. If the police did arrest to obviate the need for a warrant then that seems like cheating to me. It is not as if there was any urgency such as danger to life. |
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Post by dreampolice on Apr 8, 2023 14:45:16 GMT
Doesn’t have to be a danger to life to arrest. How about disposal of evidence? I didn’t mean to imply that is what they did though. Whether it is a warrant or arrest it still needs to be justified and appropriate. Assuming his detention was authorised by a custody officer and it being very high profile I reckon it would have been justified And discussed long before his arrest. As I say I know there are differences between 2 countries so I could be talking out of my arse, lol
But like a lot of things, at these stages we only know what the media publishes. We have no idea what evidence they had or were looking for or what information and intelligence they had.
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Post by willien on Apr 8, 2023 15:02:12 GMT
Danger to life was just a "such as". The matters in hand have been subject to speculation for quite some time so I find it difficult to believe there was a sudden danger of destruction of evidence.
But as you say, we know damn all at this stage.
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Post by andy on Apr 9, 2023 18:58:33 GMT
Just seen news about the seized motorhome. Where's the popcorn  . |
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Post by gezza on Apr 9, 2023 22:33:53 GMT
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Post by willien on Apr 9, 2023 22:42:30 GMT
Well that was certainly short and to the point.  |
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