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Post by zou on Jan 20, 2024 11:47:59 GMT
When I first thought of taking up Photography relatively late in life I first bought myself a Nikon F80 in order to learn and whether investing hundreds in digital equipment was worth it or it was just another thing I'd got interested in - as it happens I fell in love with my new hobby and bought myself a Nikon D7000 in 2011 . Grips were peeling off and eventually fell off but I continued to use it until around September 2023 when the shutter count topped 130k . I spent months and months thinking whether to go full frame or stick with APS-C - I had a mixture of lenses none of which were that expensive so from that perspective it didn't matter which way I turned - then in March of 2023 I was given a prostate cancer stage 2 diagnosis which didn't really help my decision making - I'd narrowed the list down to around 6 DSLRs but continued to umm and arr until one day I saw a Nikon D7200 with 1k clicks for £400 - couldn't resist . The longing for full frame still exists though I do accept it's irrational and my D7200 will more than meet my needs - my fantasy camera has always been a D4s and now I can afford one I'm too decrepit to carry one - maybe I should invest in a shopping trolley ? People say this a lot but really the 'full frame' lust is unnecessary. When my APS-C Sony shutter died I expected to stay with that format, but the best fit for my needs and budget happened to be 'full frame.' The image quality is excellent but that's not down to the size of the sensor so much as its design/spec (which of course could be scaled down) and mostly the lenses. So if you are happy with your Nikon I doubt you'd see much worthwhile difference (and you may need to replace your lenses anyway if they are DX). You could perhaps do a rental, might help you either reject it or lust after it though, no guaranteed outcome!  |
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Post by dorsetmike on Jan 20, 2024 13:57:13 GMT
"- maybe I should invest in a shopping trolley ?"
I've used one of these for over 10 years, bags are hooked onto frame, they can ride on seat when moving or over the side(s) when you want to sit, cool box for snacks/drinks in the space under the seat.
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Post by dorsetmike on Jan 20, 2024 14:14:24 GMT
Hook for bag in previous post made from a metal drawer handle and 2 cup hooks
Clamp for mounting camera or videocam on handles of the walker e.g. for repeat shots (or video) of dance stage at folk festival
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Post by peterob on Jan 20, 2024 14:46:41 GMT
When I first thought of taking up Photography relatively late in life I first bought myself a Nikon F80 in order to learn and whether investing hundreds in digital equipment was worth it or it was just another thing I'd got interested in - as it happens I fell in love with my new hobby and bought myself a Nikon D7000 in 2011 . Grips were peeling off and eventually fell off but I continued to use it until around September 2023 when the shutter count topped 130k . I spent months and months thinking whether to go full frame or stick with APS-C - I had a mixture of lenses none of which were that expensive so from that perspective it didn't matter which way I turned - then in March of 2023 I was given a prostate cancer stage 2 diagnosis which didn't really help my decision making - I'd narrowed the list down to around 6 DSLRs but continued to umm and arr until one day I saw a Nikon D7200 with 1k clicks for £400 - couldn't resist . The longing for full frame still exists though I do accept it's irrational and my D7200 will more than meet my needs - my fantasy camera has always been a D4s and now I can afford one I'm too decrepit to carry one - maybe I should invest in a shopping trolley ? If you have always wanted a D4s for what it is, and if owning one would give you great pleasure even if using it is difficult, then buy one! Photographically I agree with Zou. In the general course of things I don't think you'll notice much difference in results. I've been using APS-C almost entirely this last year. I can't tell the difference in results to those from full-frame. There are advantages of APS-C in extra "reach" when using telephoto lenses which is useful to me because I enjoy bird photography. The lenses, focal length for focal length are also lighter. I've been using a Fuji X-H2S with a grip which is almost the same size as my full-frame DLSR with grip but it is a little less weight. I don't use high ISO settings where arguably full frame is said to be better for noise. The only thing I like less about APS-C is ultra wide-angle lenses - I prefer the look of a longer focal length lens for a given angle of view so images taken at 16 mm on full-frame look, to me, to have a more natural perspective than those taken at ~11 mm on APS-C. On larger formats still, for the last two months Fuji have slashed their prices on their GF cameras, which have a sensor 2x the area of full-frame, to below many full-frame camera prices, although the lenses cost a bit. This is to clear the way for a new model (now shipping) so the offers (at least twice extended) are now coming to, or at, an end. |
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Post by zx9 on Jan 20, 2024 17:00:18 GMT
@peterrob
"On larger formats still, for the last two months Fuji have slashed their prices on their GF cameras, which have a sensor 2x the area of full-frame, to below many full-frame camera prices, although the lenses cost a bit. This is to clear the way for a new model (now shipping) so the offers (at least twice extended) are now coming to, or at, an end. "
I wish you had not told me that.
They are the only camera I know of that does the Xpan crop in finder.
As you probably know Fuji made the Xpan for Hasselblad.
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Post by zou on Jan 20, 2024 17:13:32 GMT
@peterrob "On larger formats still, for the last two months Fuji have slashed their prices on their GF cameras, which have a sensor 2x the area of full-frame, to below many full-frame camera prices, although the lenses cost a bit. This is to clear the way for a new model (now shipping) so the offers (at least twice extended) are now coming to, or at, an end. " I wish you had not told me that. They are the only camera I know of that does the Xpan crop in finder. As you probably know Fuji made the Xpan for Hasselblad. Good news, there are cheaper alternatives. My Lumix S5 can be set to record in 65:24 which I think is the X-Pan aspect ratio. Viewfinder crops to correct format, it isn't just a box overlay for composition purposes. Would assume the S5II/x can both do the same if you want new. |
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Post by peterob on Jan 20, 2024 17:42:51 GMT
@peterrob "On larger formats still, for the last two months Fuji have slashed their prices on their GF cameras, which have a sensor 2x the area of full-frame, to below many full-frame camera prices, although the lenses cost a bit. This is to clear the way for a new model (now shipping) so the offers (at least twice extended) are now coming to, or at, an end. " I wish you had not told me that. They are the only camera I know of that does the Xpan crop in finder. As you probably know Fuji made the Xpan for Hasselblad. Sorry about that. I just looked at LCE and the offers are finished. I was sure they were there last week. Only one ex-demo advertised now. I'm on their mailing list and, although it gets filtered to junk I do glance at the offers occasionally but the GF one started way back - maybe even as early as August. Perhaps they'll start coming through the s/h market more, relatively few so far. The GF 100 II looks to be a formidable camera. I'd not noted crop options - I do all that in post, because I enjoy it, so I never look at what the camera can do for jpgs. |
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Post by zx9 on Jan 20, 2024 17:52:10 GMT
@peterrob "On larger formats still, for the last two months Fuji have slashed their prices on their GF cameras, which have a sensor 2x the area of full-frame, to below many full-frame camera prices, although the lenses cost a bit. This is to clear the way for a new model (now shipping) so the offers (at least twice extended) are now coming to, or at, an end. " I wish you had not told me that. They are the only camera I know of that does the Xpan crop in finder. As you probably know Fuji made the Xpan for Hasselblad. Sorry about that. I just looked at LCE and the offers are finished. I was sure they were there last week. Only one ex-demo advertised now. I'm on their mailing list and, although it gets filtered to junk I do glance at the offers occasionally but the GF one started way back - maybe even as early as August. Perhaps they'll start coming through the s/h market more, relatively few so far. The GF 100 II looks to be a formidable camera. I'd not noted crop options - I do all that in post, because I enjoy it, so I never look at what the camera can do for jpgs.We are back to me wanting to see the crop in finder as I compose. |
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Post by peterob on Jan 20, 2024 18:20:48 GMT
Sorry about that. I just looked at LCE and the offers are finished. I was sure they were there last week. Only one ex-demo advertised now. I'm on their mailing list and, although it gets filtered to junk I do glance at the offers occasionally but the GF one started way back - maybe even as early as August. Perhaps they'll start coming through the s/h market more, relatively few so far. The GF 100 II looks to be a formidable camera. I'd not noted crop options - I do all that in post, because I enjoy it, so I never look at what the camera can do for jpgs.We are back to me wanting to see the crop in finder as I compose. Yes I know. I assumed it only works (in the viewfinder) if save option is jpg. I've never tested. |
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Post by John Farrell on Jan 20, 2024 18:35:33 GMT
If you want full frame, try film. The cameras are not expensive, and buying film and having it processed is a lot less expensive than investing in a new digital and a bag of lenses.
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Post by zx9 on Jan 20, 2024 18:39:41 GMT
We are back to me wanting to see the crop in finder as I compose. Yes I know. I assumed it only works (in the viewfinder) if save option is jpg. I've never tested. I don't know but I am assuming that you can set jpg and RAW, the jpg will be the cropped frame and the RAW the full frame which you can crop in PS back to match what you saw in the viewfinder, sort of a second bite of the cherry. *
It probably won't happen, I bought a EVF for the Leica M240 with the idea of taking it a part and masking the LCD to a 13x36 ratio, I could easily print out a mask for the rear LCD but I hate holding cameras at arms length to take a picture.
* After thought, how does it handle the film emulations? I assume they are hard coded to the jpg but a drop down option in the RAW at processing, would be useful of the crop was handled the same.
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Post by zx9 on Jan 20, 2024 18:45:42 GMT
If you want full frame, try film. The cameras are not expensive, and buying film and having it processed is a lot less expensive than investing in a new digital and a bag of lenses. This is generally true, I am assuming you are addressing the OP skyehammer and not suggesting I look out for an Xpan because they make the Fujifilm GFX 50s look affordable. |
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Post by peterob on Jan 20, 2024 19:58:33 GMT
Yes I know. I assumed it only works (in the viewfinder) if save option is jpg. I've never tested. I don't know but I am assuming that you can set jpg and RAW, the jpg will be the cropped frame and the RAW the full frame which you can crop in PS back to match what you saw in the viewfinder, sort of a second bite of the cherry. *
It probably won't happen, I bought a EVF for the Leica M240 with the idea of taking it a part and masking the LCD to a 13x36 ratio, I could easily print out a mask for the rear LCD but I hate holding cameras at arms length to take a picture.
* After thought, how does it handle the film emulations? I assume they are hard coded to the jpg but a drop down option in the RAW at processing, would be useful of the crop was handled the same.
I just assumed the viewfinder masks only appeared (were only selectable) if jpg mode were selected because the raw file is the whole sensor output. Though on fujix-forum I think I saw a post that said the GFX cameras had a 35 mm mask mode that affected raw too. It was for using adapted 35 mm lenses. I've never researched it. I always thought the film sims were hardware encoded but there was another fujix-forum post that said selection of film sim on some X cameras (dunno about GFX) could be mapped to a control dial so the sims could be scrolled through in image preview and the most appropriate selected for the shot. I've not tested this. I thought that once you'd picked one that was it. |
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Post by zou on Jan 20, 2024 20:09:43 GMT
The Lumix aspect ratio settings are viewfinder and raw.
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Post by skyehammer on Jan 21, 2024 8:45:08 GMT
Thanks to everyone who replied and I'd just like to say how much I appreciate everyone's input , your passion for Photography shines through - wish I could meet up with such genuine people .
I suppose what it is ...is I'm being influenced by others' love of the D4 / D4s and think I'll get these marvellous colours out of its sensor whereas deep down I know the damn thing will be too heavy and my photography won't change a bit .
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