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Post by El Sid on Dec 15, 2022 14:10:48 GMT
I 'upgraded' from my old 40D to an 80D which, since covid, has had far less use than I intended. This not helped by the fact that I recently bought a used 5D which I find way less complicated to use...  |
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Post by geoffr on Dec 15, 2022 20:12:31 GMT
I 'upgraded' from my old 40D to an 80D which, since covid, has had far less use than I intended. This not helped by the fact that I recently bought a used 5D which I find way less complicated to use... I have lost track of how often I have said that top Pro cameras are easier to use than enthusiast cameras.
Guess why I use single digit Nikons?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2022 20:59:35 GMT
I 'upgraded' from my old 40D to an 80D which, since covid, has had far less use than I intended. This not helped by the fact that I recently bought a used 5D which I find way less complicated to use... The release dates of the 40D and 5D are similar, well within 2 years and their menus and controls are similar. I really like the output from both cameras especially the 5D. |
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Post by donerundlecams on Dec 15, 2022 21:19:58 GMT
I shoot, mostly, with my Pentax K3 and, either, Pentax DA 50-135/2.8, Tamron 70-200/2.8 and DA 21/3.2, digitally, and, film wise, Pentax PZ1P with the aforementioned lenses, Pentax MX w/ a SMC 35/2.8 and Asahiflex IIB w/ Takumar 58/2.5 lens  . Upgrades wise, I had an opportunity for a Pentax K3 Mk III for a crazy good price but, sadly, retirement gives one the time, but, not always, the dosh  |
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Post by MJB on Dec 15, 2022 22:31:36 GMT
I 'upgraded' from my old 40D to an 80D which, since covid, has had far less use than I intended. This not helped by the fact that I recently bought a used 5D which I find way less complicated to use... I have lost track of how often I have said that top Pro cameras are easier to use than enthusiast cameras.
Guess why I use single digit Nikons?
I'm not sure I necessarily agree with that statement. I'm not familiar with the Nikon range, but I'm guessing the difference between the Pro and Enthusiast bodies will be similar to the Canon range. I'd wager that an 18 year old, who has been raised on touch screen menus on most of the tech they use would fin the Canon xxD range more intuitive to use than a 5, 6, or 7D with the controls more dials and button based. Similarly a 65 year old who is more used to analogue tech would probably find the single digit series more intuitive. Personally I can switch between my 5dii, or 7dii and my wife's 70d with no problems. |
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Post by nickr on Dec 15, 2022 22:52:24 GMT
I have lost track of how often I have said that top Pro cameras are easier to use than enthusiast cameras.
Guess why I use single digit Nikons?
I'm not sure I necessarily agree with that statement. I'm not familiar with the Nikon range, but I'm guessing the difference between the Pro and Enthusiast bodies will be similar to the Canon range. I'd wager that an 18 year old, who has been raised on touch screen menus on most of the tech they use would fin the Canon xxD range more intuitive to use than a 5, 6, or 7D with the controls more dials and button based. Similarly a 65 year old who is more used to analogue tech would probably find the single digit series more intuitive. Personally I can switch between my 5dii, or 7dii and my wife's 70d with no problems. I was won over by touch screen control with the original EOS M - a tiny camera that, whatever its other faults, has a wonderful touch screen. My current favourite M, the M6 II, has an absolute plethora of physical controls, aided by the updated version of that wonderful touch screen. The 5D IV convinced me of the utility for pro shooting, too - the menu is much quicker to navigate by touch, for instance. Now I guess part of Geoff's point is that pro cameras are simpler to use because they have less unnecessary modes etc, but these days, I'm not sure it's really true - the complexity of AF systems has introduced loads of new options that were never there in the past. I certainly think they're easier to deal with with touch screens. As to Nigel's point, well the original 5D is indeed a very simple camera - no Live View etc. My only issue with it was the fact that it was a dust magnet, had to clean the sensor 3 weeks out of 4, so got rid of it earlier than planned. The 5D II did away with that snag. |
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Post by geoffr on Dec 16, 2022 8:54:22 GMT
I'm not sure I necessarily agree with that statement. I'm not familiar with the Nikon range, but I'm guessing the difference between the Pro and Enthusiast bodies will be similar to the Canon range. I'd wager that an 18 year old, who has been raised on touch screen menus on most of the tech they use would fin the Canon xxD range more intuitive to use than a 5, 6, or 7D with the controls more dials and button based. Similarly a 65 year old who is more used to analogue tech would probably find the single digit series more intuitive. Personally I can switch between my 5dii, or 7dii and my wife's 70d with no problems. I was won over by touch screen control with the original EOS M - a tiny camera that, whatever its other faults, has a wonderful touch screen. My current favourite M, the M6 II, has an absolute plethora of physical controls, aided by the updated version of that wonderful touch screen. The 5D IV convinced me of the utility for pro shooting, too - the menu is much quicker to navigate by touch, for instance. Now I guess part of Geoff's point is that pro cameras are simpler to use because they have less unnecessary modes etc, but these days, I'm not sure it's really true - the complexity of AF systems has introduced loads of new options that were never there in the past. I certainly think they're easier to deal with with touch screens. As to Nigel's point, well the original 5D is indeed a very simple camera - no Live View etc. My only issue with it was the fact that it was a dust magnet, had to clean the sensor 3 weeks out of 4, so got rid of it earlier than planned. The 5D II did away with that snag. Touch screens can be great but they can also be an absolute pain, especially when one is wearing gloves. The latest cameras also suffer from having too many buttons that can be operated inadvertently. The Nikon D5 has, from memory, 18 buttons on the back some of which can wake the camera. Fortunately it is possible to deactivate some of the more prominent ones. My first outing with the D4 resulted in several activations of Live View and later forays saw the vertical joystick cap depart, problems fixed on later cameras. My personal gripe with touch screens, and something from which youngsters aren’t immune, is the tendency for active areas to be too small and/or too close together making it difficult to press the right part of the screen. This forum gives me the same issue, despite a generally good design, on my iPad mini. Another feature of touch screens is the need to look at the screen when making selections, with buttons one can find a control by touch. The main reason I consider the top of the range pro cameras easier to use is that unwanted features can be programmed out. Thus on my D4 series bodies the video button is dedicated to ISO, on the D4s and D5 the live view button is deactivated. These cameras can be personalised to a very great extent. I can adjust most things without taking the camera from my eye surely the definitive demonstration of ease of use. |
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Post by peterob on Dec 16, 2022 9:51:37 GMT
I give up trying to edit the post using quote.
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Post by squeamishossifrage on Dec 16, 2022 10:54:19 GMT
I have just come across another reason I am unlikely to upgrade any time soon. I decided to build two separate kits based on my two A850 bodies, an all-encompassing one for when I go out by car, and a smaller one for when I jump on my motor scooter. I dug out the spreadsheet where I keep the record of all my lenses to decide on the most appropriate for each kit. It appears I have accumulated twenty five 'A' mount lenses, the majority bought new, with some bought from eBay. All, bar a couple, have been regularly used.
As the Minolta/Sony 'A' mount is now dead, if I upgrade then the cost of a new camera would be a pretty small part of the cost!
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Post by daves on Dec 16, 2022 19:12:12 GMT
The last terrestrial camera I bought was a Fuji XT-1, though I have been sorely tempted by a second hand Moravian G4 16000, but I think better sense will prevail. The £3000 being asked is just the start, filters could add as much again.
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Post by Ivor E Tower on Dec 16, 2022 22:17:55 GMT
Off topic but looking at Jack's current avatar... is an iPeg what you use to attach your iPhone or iPad to the washing line after you've cleaned it?
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Post by zx9 on Dec 20, 2022 9:18:14 GMT
My Nikon D200 is getting nearly as crabby and falling-apart as its user, but I use manual focus lenses 'cos (a) I've got a bunch and (b) I'm a tightwad, so the upgrade will have to be something that takes those - probably a D7000. The Canon G10 seems indestructable. I do plan to upgrade from a non-working to a working Contax III, as a treat to myself with the first paypacket from a new job. Looking forward to that! I killed my G9 by slamming a car door on it, it was in my jacket pocket at the time. I had no hesitation in replacing it with a second hand G11, that must have been in 2009 and it is still in occasional use. |
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Post by zx9 on Dec 20, 2022 9:26:54 GMT
I suppose that the last two years have seen me upgrade from full frame to APSC in the form of EOS M6 mk2. I will wait until I have tried photographing next years Goodwood FOS or a hill climb with the mirror less until I finally pension off my EOS 5d and EOS 1D 2n. In the mean time I have half an eye out for a used EOS 7D mk2 but for the sort of thing I have been doing these days the M6 mk2 has been a very good upgrade.
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Post by gray1720 on Dec 20, 2022 9:55:34 GMT
I killed my G9 by slamming a car door on it, it was in my jacket pocket at the time. I had no hesitation in replacing it with a second hand G11, that must have been in 2009 and it is still in occasional use. Ooops! If you've ever encountered the Argus C3, I had one in my coat pocket when my bike chain jumped the sprocket annnd dumped me firmly onto the bars, One corner of the camera winded me, and actually drew blood. The Argus wasn't even marked. The cockcroaches'll be using them to take photos of the post-apocalyptic wastes. |
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Post by nickr on Dec 20, 2022 10:03:49 GMT
I suppose that the last two years have seen me upgrade from full frame to APSC in the form of EOS M6 mk2. I will wait until I have tried photographing next years Goodwood FOS or a hill climb with the mirror less until I finally pension off my EOS 5d and EOS 1D 2n. In the mean time I have half an eye out for a used EOS 7D mk2 but for the sort of thing I have been doing these days the M6 mk2 has been a very good upgrade. Since buying an M6 II, I've hardly used my 7D II. The little M works so well. |
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. Upgrades wise, I had an opportunity for a Pentax K3 Mk III for a crazy good price but, sadly, retirement gives one the time, but, not always, the dosh 
