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Post by dreampolice on Jul 14, 2024 19:03:35 GMT
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Post by JohnY on Jul 14, 2024 19:07:12 GMT
Brilliant. In the right places that should go viral.
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Post by dreampolice on Jul 14, 2024 19:08:41 GMT
Brilliant. In the right places that should go viral. I think it probably has, it was on a shared WhatsApp message I just received and I was one of many that it had been forwarded to according to the message. I might get it printed on a t shirt before our trip to Detroit on Thursday. Could even wear it heading through US Immigration. I'm sure they'd find it funny. |
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Post by zou on Jul 14, 2024 19:14:48 GMT
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Post by dorsetmike on Jul 14, 2024 19:38:45 GMT
They should have found a reincarnation of Lee Harvey Oswald to do a proper job
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Post by willien on Jul 14, 2024 19:40:10 GMT
They should have found a reincarnation of Lee Harvey Oswald to do a proper job Or LBJ and the CIA... |
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Post by spinno on Jul 14, 2024 19:42:36 GMT
They should have found a reincarnation of Lee Harvey Oswald to do a proper job Sirhan Sirhan, Mark Chapman and not John Hinckley junior |
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Post by geoffr on Jul 14, 2024 20:01:05 GMT
200m is most definitely not "long range" the record for a sniper is 3,800m. Using a Barratt .50 cal, not an AR15. I gather that 200m is not a particularly long range even for an AR15 |
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Post by spinno on Jul 14, 2024 20:05:59 GMT
Using a Barratt .50 cal, not an AR15. I gather that 200m is not a particularly long range even for an AR15 I killed a rabbit at 300 yards with a Lee Enfield .303 |
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Post by willien on Jul 14, 2024 20:08:30 GMT
I gather that 200m is not a particularly long range even for an AR15 I killed a rabbit at 300 yards with a Lee Enfield .303 To be fair, you were aiming at the Magician... |
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Post by spinno on Jul 14, 2024 20:28:28 GMT
I killed a rabbit at 300 yards with a Lee Enfield .303 To be fair, you were aiming at the Magician... Cardboard soldier actually who was 100 yards further away...(400yards) |
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Post by MJB on Jul 14, 2024 21:08:17 GMT
Using a Barratt .50 cal, not an AR15. I gather that 200m is not a particularly long range even for an AR15 In the hands of a well trained marksman with non-standard ammunition. At least that's what a former sniper in the 'Rifles' tells me. Based on my own shooting experience a head shot at 200 yards would be challenging for most people with a bolt action, long barrelled weapon. |
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Post by willien on Jul 14, 2024 21:12:44 GMT
I gather that 200m is not a particularly long range even for an AR15 In the hands of a well trained marksman with non-standard ammunition. At least that's what a former sniper in the 'Rifles' tells me. Based on my own shooting experience a head shot at 200 yards would be challenging for most people with a bolt action, long barrelled weapon. Which is anyone but an idiot or an expert would have aimed for central mass, yes/no? |
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Post by JohnY on Jul 14, 2024 22:23:16 GMT
Typical American using the wrong tool for the job in hand. Assault rifles are great for rampaging through your high school, killing your classmates. Rubbish for taking out an individual in a crowd from distance. Depends on the desired result - one victim or numerous ones (the school comparison). Since survival was unlikely, the number of dead and injured might not even have been a consideration. Also, I assume the 'spray and pray' approach requires much less skill than the careful use of a sniper's rifle to ensure that only the desired target is hit (much like the way in which some cameras are used, if it's not too tasteless to make the comparison). Spray and pray would not be successful if the first shot missed. Controlled breathing, steady pulse (maybe with a beta blocker nowadays), bolt action rifle, reliable consistent ammunition (i.e same muzzle velocity in practice as for the critical shot) hopefully no wind or heat haze and 130 yards should not be a problem. Of course I am not an expert. I last fired a rifle over sixty years ago. Also most cadets only shot at 220 yards. Only those of us showing promise got to shoot at 440yds. I wasn't competitive and was quite laid back about it. In a real war situation all tensed up, I may not have been so accurate. We were shooting only about 14 years after WW2. We were too young to remember the war but all adults remembered it well. The idea of training schoolboys to kill might seem immoral to many people today. It was perfectly normal in 1957. We normally shot at what I'd call bull's eye targets but sometimes on the short 25 yd range at school (with .22 rifles) we shot at cardboard cutouts of German soldiers. The target areas were rectangles on the chest.
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Post by geoffr on Jul 14, 2024 22:24:46 GMT
I gather that 200m is not a particularly long range even for an AR15 In the hands of a well trained marksman with non-standard ammunition. At least that's what a former sniper in the 'Rifles' tells me. Based on my own shooting experience a head shot at 200 yards would be challenging for most people with a bolt action, long barrelled weapon. We now know that the gunman wasn’t particularly skilled, but he was much better than me, I think I could miss a brick wall. |
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