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Post by mick on May 7, 2024 9:13:53 GMT
Apropos another thread. First let me assure folk that I'm not taking a swipe at anyone.
That thread reminded me of my father who seemed, at times, to delight in his ignorance of UK geography.
He rarely used maps and expected road signs to take him where he wanted to go. If he was in the Midlands (of England) and wanted Manchester he would expect a 'Manchester' sign straight away. He would inevitably get lost on all but local journeys. It was almost the only source of friction between him and my mother.
I well remember the time that I was living in Manchester and he wanted to visit. He wanted instructions to get there. It was easy to tell him. Go to the A34 , turn north and keep going on the A34 until you get to Manchester. Oh the fuss about which way was north and how was he to know. Why wasn't there a sign to Manchester.
He wasn't an unintelligent man but he had a blind spot for geography and, as I said, seemed to delight in it. I sometimes wondered if it was deliberate.
Anyone else know someone who, for whatever reason, is similarly 'challenged'.
Mick
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Post by kate on May 7, 2024 9:18:55 GMT
Me, with people's names. I always need a clue - a starting letter or at least one of the names. Or my late husband who seemed a sponge for names, however obscure.
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Post by spinno on May 7, 2024 10:32:34 GMT
Sherlock Holmes!
(Paraphrasing)
Dr Watson describes Holmes and his knowledge of the field of criminology as genius, but chastises him for his lack of knowledge of the Kings and Queens of England. Holmes retorts that knowing who succeeded who wouldn't help his work!
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Post by dorsetmike on May 7, 2024 10:51:01 GMT
I'm a great believer in the saying, "Ignorance is bliss" maybe that's why I no longer bother listening to nor reading about the news.
""Ignorance Is Bliss", a phrase coined by English poet Thomas Gray in 1742"
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Post by geoffr on May 7, 2024 10:51:42 GMT
You don’t know what you need to know until you need to know it. Hence apprenticeships and training.
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Post by mick on May 7, 2024 11:50:03 GMT
You don’t know what you need to know until you need to know it. Hence apprenticeships and training. Wish I'd thought of that!
Mick
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Post by zou on May 7, 2024 11:52:10 GMT
You don’t know what you need to know until you need to know it. Hence apprenticeships and training. Wish I'd thought of that!
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Post by zou on May 7, 2024 11:53:46 GMT
There's a huge amount of political ignorance in the political media. Lack of understanding of how devolved governments work, what's reserved, etc.
This view -perhaps generously- suggests that political journalists are not otherwise ignorant/uninformed. That's a different can of worms.
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Post by JohnY on May 7, 2024 13:32:22 GMT
Political journalists often pretend ignorance of things about which they wish to be ignorant. They are similar to political activists in that respect.
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Post by peterob on May 7, 2024 14:06:40 GMT
Ignorance in general sustained maybe more than 25 years of my employment. I worked as, let's call it a "technical expert". In the mid 1990s it came to be seen as cost-effective to outsource technical problems, retire expensive experienced staff who could solve them, and instead hire people who were very good at managing external contracts. The problem was that few understood at a detailed level what they were supposed to be buying as advice and even fewer were able to tell if the advice bought was fit for purpose. The few of us who had been too young for the [very nice] redundancy packages, but old enough to have been around long enough to have core skills, ended up in a funny position. The "career" paths were in management, the old technical roles were disparaged if not disappeared, and yet the system still needed someone able to see through the flannel. With the AI capabilities around now that allow very plausible arguments to be generated in response to a request for a problem solution the ignorant will be increasingly vulnerable to accepting incorrect or inappropriate advice.
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Post by spinno on May 7, 2024 14:20:18 GMT
Ignorance in general sustained maybe more than 25 years of my employment. I worked as, let's call it a "technical expert". In the mid 1990s it came to be seen as cost-effective to outsource technical problems, retire expensive experienced staff who could solve them, and instead hire people who were very good at managing external contracts. The problem was that few understood at a detailed level what they were supposed to be buying as advice and even fewer were able to tell if the advice bought was fit for purpose. The few of us who had been too young for the [very nice] redundancy packages, but old enough to have been around long enough to have core skills, ended up in a funny position. The "career" paths were in management, the old technical roles were disparaged if not disappeared, and yet the system still needed someone able to see through the flannel. With the AI capabilities around now that allow very plausible arguments to be generated in response to a request for a problem solution the ignorant will be increasingly vulnerable to accepting incorrect or inappropriate advice. Technical experts (external) and consultants, some of the most ignorant people in the world, closely fol!owed by management consultants. The financial impact (and damage)( relatively speaking) they cause is far worse than being sold a dodgy car or a house about to fall down |
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Post by peterob on May 7, 2024 15:37:12 GMT
Ignorance in general sustained maybe more than 25 years of my employment. I worked as, let's call it a "technical expert". In the mid 1990s it came to be seen as cost-effective to outsource technical problems, retire expensive experienced staff who could solve them, and instead hire people who were very good at managing external contracts. The problem was that few understood at a detailed level what they were supposed to be buying as advice and even fewer were able to tell if the advice bought was fit for purpose. The few of us who had been too young for the [very nice] redundancy packages, but old enough to have been around long enough to have core skills, ended up in a funny position. The "career" paths were in management, the old technical roles were disparaged if not disappeared, and yet the system still needed someone able to see through the flannel. With the AI capabilities around now that allow very plausible arguments to be generated in response to a request for a problem solution the ignorant will be increasingly vulnerable to accepting incorrect or inappropriate advice. Technical experts (external) and consultants, some of the most ignorant people in the world, closely fol!owed by management consultants. The financial impact (and damage)( relatively speaking) they cause is far worse than being sold a dodgy car or a house about to fall down That's too strong. A consultant will sell you a product that the consultant can deliver. This might not be the product that is needed. If there is no technical communication over setting the scope and in assessing the results before acceptance that is where trouble lies. Same for management as for technical. |
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Post by spinno on May 7, 2024 17:57:37 GMT
Technical experts (external) and consultants, some of the most ignorant people in the world, closely fol!owed by management consultants. The financial impact (and damage)( relatively speaking) they cause is far worse than being sold a dodgy car or a house about to fall down That's too strong. A consultant will sell you a product that the consultant can deliver. This might not be the product that is needed. If there is no technical communication over setting the scope and in assessing the results before acceptance that is where trouble lies. Same for management as for technical. People who've been affected might not consider it strong enough. However to point there is merit in what you say. When inviting consultants it should be a given that the consultants are given all the information about the organisation they are being consulted upon...but alas... |
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Post by Chester PB on May 7, 2024 22:36:18 GMT
Donald Trump - I assume there is no need to explain further.
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Post by spinno on May 8, 2024 7:33:01 GMT
Donald Trump - I assume there is no need to explain further. At least everyone was listening to Ms Daniels' evidence...some perhaps too attentively |
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