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Post by zou on Nov 11, 2023 11:04:37 GMT
Less than 100 days until I'm back in Japan so obviously I'm already in the state of decision paralysis over what kit to take. The digital side is fine (Lumix S5, 20-60, 85), but which film option? Its role will be for snapshot use - so as close to point and shoot as possible.
Baggage allowance is much tighter this time as we are on a different airline, so it needs to be compact and light. Can't take as much kit as this year (tripod, 6x12 pinhole, Holga, Rollei, K2, FM10, Sony NEX-3n and a bunch of lenses: all got used, in case you think I went OTT!). This rules out the Pentax K2 and my pinhole cameras which need a tripod. The options are as follows:
Holga
Rollei B35
Halina compact
Pentax MG
Pros and cons for each:
Holga: +light +fun +120 negs -no real exposure control -guess focus
Rollei: +very small +decent lens +fun +light -scale focus -had some reliability issues -unpaired metering can result in errors
Halina: +very light +compact +no Fs given whether it is raining -worst lens of the options -very limited exposure control
Pentax: +best image quality of the options +auto exposure +lens choice -heaviest of the options -largest of the options
Tending toward Pentax as whatever lenses I pick can also be used on my S5 via adapter. Looking at getting a M28/2.8 which would pair perfectly, then one of my 50s and we're good to go. But still have reservations over the overall size of the kit vs just taking the Rollei, for example.
Help me out!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2023 11:54:35 GMT
Keep it simple by carrying two Pentax cameras and three lenses, a wide angle, a standard and short telephoto (85mm or 100mm f2.8).
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Post by steveandthedogs on Nov 11, 2023 12:51:54 GMT
Take a Vito II - great lens and it folds small enough to fit in a trouser pocket
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Post by zou on Nov 11, 2023 12:53:40 GMT
I should perhaps have added, just buying another camera isn't *necessarily* a solution in this case.  |
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Post by gray1720 on Nov 11, 2023 14:04:38 GMT
I should perhaps have added, just buying another camera isn't *necessarily* a solution in this case. It isn't? |
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Post by zou on Nov 11, 2023 15:21:03 GMT
I should perhaps have added, just buying another camera isn't *necessarily* a solution in this case. It isn't? "Necessarily"!! If I could get a Pen EE or similar, quality half frame point and shoot, that would be the no-brainer. Not seen one listed at a sensible price for ages though.  |
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Post by zx9 on Nov 13, 2023 10:56:35 GMT
Is it Ground Hog day?
What did you learn from the last time you asked? What did you get to Japan and think 'I wish I had brought the xxxx, I could have done YYY' ?
Personally for travel I have given up taking half a camera shop with me, not having to drag around a full frame DSLR and three f/2.8 lenses lets me spend more time looking at where I am, the what gear to use question is replaced with the how do I make the most of my EOS M6 and my iPhone. Yes there are times I lust for my old L lenses especially the 80-200 f/2.8 and the 180mm macro but compromises have been made, if I want to go back to that look it would be with Sigma Art lenses but I am not there yet.
The Pen EE is very cute but has the Hipster tax, there are other half frames to consider, how about a Yashica Samurai ? (Not a real question as they are comparatively large. )
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Post by Chester PB on Nov 13, 2023 17:25:42 GMT
Decide now how much stuff you are prepared to carry, and choose accordingly. Too much choice is not always helpful when faced with this dilemma. Personally, I believe that abundant choice is overrated.
Why can't the Lumix be used for 'snapshot' pictures? Just set it to 'auto everything' when used like this to get the full 'point and shoot' experience. |
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Post by zou on Nov 13, 2023 20:06:05 GMT
Is it Ground Hog day? What did you learn from the last time you asked? What did you get to Japan and think 'I wish I had brought the xxxx, I could have done YYY' ? Personally for travel I have given up taking half a camera shop with me, not having to drag around a full frame DSLR and three f/2.8 lenses lets me spend more time looking at where I am, the what gear to use question is replaced with the how do I make the most of my EOS M6 and my iPhone. Yes there are times I lust for my old L lenses especially the 80-200 f/2.8 and the 180mm macro but compromises have been made, if I want to go back to that look it would be with Sigma Art lenses but I am not there yet. The Pen EE is very cute but has the Hipster tax, there are other half frames to consider, how about a Yashica Samurai ? (Not a real question as they are comparatively large. ) Ground hog day? Kind of.  My little Sony just about died in March/April, the shutter is goosed. That led to me getting a new camera, which is considerably larger and heavier. This year in Japan I took a lot and used it all, I had specific uses in mind and that was fine because we had a ridiculous baggage allocation. I was carrying the Sony plus one or two others each day, depending on where we were going and what we were doing. This time I'm strictly taking just one digital and one film camera though, travelling light. I enjoyed using the Rollei but it was the K2 which got the most use other than digital. The K2 is significantly bigger than the other film options listed, and weighs almost to the gram the same as the S5. The film option needs to be smaller, something that can go in a pocket/bag even when photography isn't the purpose of the day. I'm very much swaying toward taking the tiny Pentax MG over the Rollei. It's been more reliable and whilst it is aperture priority only you can do exposure compensation via the ISO dial. The Halina is 'natsukashii' - nostalgic, but I'm sure the images will leave me wondering why I didn't take something better. The Holga is just the Holga, great fun, but hit and miss. There, I think I've answered my conundrum. Thank you. |
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Post by zou on Nov 13, 2023 20:09:18 GMT
Decide now how much stuff you are prepared to carry, and choose accordingly. Too much choice is not always helpful when faced with this dilemma. Personally, I believe that abundant choice is overrated.
Why can't the Lumix be used for 'snapshot' pictures? Just set it to 'auto everything' when used like this to get the full 'point and shoot' experience. I have decided, the S5 plus one of the listed options. Snapshot is spontaneous, and relies on having something with you. I wouldn't be carrying the S5 when popping to the shops or out for dinner, whereas the small option can stay with me. It doesn't *have* to be a film camera but as I don't have a digital compact, it will be. |
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Post by JohnY on Nov 13, 2023 20:34:41 GMT
Decide now how much stuff you are prepared to carry, and choose accordingly. Too much choice is not always helpful when faced with this dilemma. Personally, I believe that abundant choice is overrated.
Why can't the Lumix be used for 'snapshot' pictures? Just set it to 'auto everything' when used like this to get the full 'point and shoot' experience. Why bother with film. The Lumix and your camera phone would seem adequate. Of your suggested film cameras the little Rollei is the only one that I own. It survived two climbs to the Nelion summit of Mt Kenya but never got to Batian. The Batian failure was not the camera's fault. .
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Post by zou on Nov 13, 2023 20:41:59 GMT
Decide now how much stuff you are prepared to carry, and choose accordingly. Too much choice is not always helpful when faced with this dilemma. Personally, I believe that abundant choice is overrated.
Why can't the Lumix be used for 'snapshot' pictures? Just set it to 'auto everything' when used like this to get the full 'point and shoot' experience. Why bother with film. The Lumix and your camera phone would seem adequate. Of your suggested film cameras the little Rollei is the only one that I own. It survived two climbs to the Nelion summit of Mt Kenya but never got to Batian. The Batian failure was not the camera's fault. .
My camera doesn't have a phone... My phone has a camera, and it's rubbish. Routinely out of focus images, terrible dynamic range, and pretty poor quality all round. It's just not up to the quality of even a toy camera with film, unless the light is *just* right. |
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Post by peterba on Nov 13, 2023 21:06:09 GMT
That a pity. I was going to recommend a good Malbec. (Or have I misunderstood? ) |
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Post by zou on Nov 13, 2023 21:30:20 GMT
That a pity. I was going to recommend a good Malbec. (Or have I misunderstood? ) There's still just under 3 months to go, that could be helpful. |
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Post by donerundlecams on Nov 14, 2023 9:09:10 GMT
Less than 100 days until I'm back in Japan so obviously I'm already in the state of decision paralysis over what kit to take. The digital side is fine (Lumix S5, 20-60, 85), but which film option? Its role will be for snapshot use - so as close to point and shoot as possible. Baggage allowance is much tighter this time as we are on a different airline, so it needs to be compact and light. Can't take as much kit as this year (tripod, 6x12 pinhole, Holga, Rollei, K2, FM10, Sony NEX-3n and a bunch of lenses: all got used, in case you think I went OTT!). This rules out the Pentax K2 and my pinhole cameras which need a tripod. The options are as follows: Holga Rollei B35 Halina compact Pentax MG Pros and cons for each: Holga: +light +fun +120 negs -no real exposure control -guess focus Rollei: +very small +decent lens +fun +light -scale focus -had some reliability issues -unpaired metering can result in errors Halina: +very light +compact +no Fs given whether it is raining -worst lens of the options -very limited exposure control Pentax: +best image quality of the options +auto exposure +lens choice -heaviest of the options -largest of the options Tending toward Pentax as whatever lenses I pick can also be used on my S5 via adapter. Looking at getting a M28/2.8 which would pair perfectly, then one of my 50s and we're good to go. But still have reservations over the overall size of the kit vs just taking the Rollei, for example. Help me out! You know that I'm biased, Zou, " PENTAX" is your only answer
Cheers,
Jack ........ but, at least, try to sus out a ME/ME Super  |
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