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Post by willien on Aug 22, 2024 11:19:01 GMT
Many years ago I nearly hit a woman on a curve in an industrial estate, night cruddy sodium street lights raining. She was (as it turned out) walking along the outside of her parked car - dark hair, dark gloves, darke coat and everything else. Just as well she was white because I saw her face when she turned to put her key in her car. Also just as well I was driving very slowly and keeping a good look out due to the road and conditions.
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Post by spinno on Aug 22, 2024 11:20:06 GMT
C.O.A.S.T. Something every road user should be using. Concentration, observation, anticipation, speed, time. Taking Mick's zebra crossing as an example, if the driver had been paying full attention (C) and observed that the road conditions were sub-optimal and that they were approaching a zebra crossing (O), anticipated that any pedestrians in the vicinity could potentially cross (A), adjusted their driving accordingly (S), they would have had time to react and avoid a collision with another road user. The same applies to the pedestrian. Cor, anyone would think you had just been on a driving course. FWIW if C.O.A.S.T. is real then it is IMO crap. Too complicated to remember.
ASCOT maybe? STOAT substituting Thinking for Concentration... |
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Post by spinno on Aug 22, 2024 11:21:37 GMT
Many years ago I nearly hit a woman on a curve in an industrial estate, night cruddy sodium street lights raining. She was (as it turned out) walking along the outside of her parked car - dark hair, dark gloves, darke coat and everything else. Just as well she was white because I saw her face when she turned to put her key in her car. Also just as well I was driving very slowly and keeping a good look out due to the road and conditions. There you go...anticipation, concentration, speed, time and observation all neatly summed up! |
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Post by peterob on Aug 22, 2024 11:21:51 GMT
C.O.A.S.T. Something every road user should be using. Concentration, observation, anticipation, speed, time. Taking Mick's zebra crossing as an example, if the driver had been paying full attention (C) and observed that the road conditions were sub-optimal and that they were approaching a zebra crossing (O), anticipated that any pedestrians in the vicinity could potentially cross (A), adjusted their driving accordingly (S), they would have had time to react and avoid a collision with another road user. The same applies to the pedestrian. Sounds good. Very like defensive driving. We had a decade at work where, to drive on company business we had to pass the IoAM driving test every 2 years, preceded by a few hours of defensive driving instruction. No acronyms involved that I remember but this COAST sums it up quite well. They stopped doing it when the accident rate tumbled - excellent idea - unfortunately the victim of its own success. |
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Post by MJB on Aug 22, 2024 11:22:52 GMT
C.O.A.S.T. Something every road user should be using. Concentration, observation, anticipation, speed, time. Taking Mick's zebra crossing as an example, if the driver had been paying full attention (C) and observed that the road conditions were sub-optimal and that they were approaching a zebra crossing (O), anticipated that any pedestrians in the vicinity could potentially cross (A), adjusted their driving accordingly (S), they would have had time to react and avoid a collision with another road user. The same applies to the pedestrian. Cor, anyone would think you had just been on a driving course. FWIW if C.O.A.S.T. is real then it is IMO crap. Too complicated to remember.
Whilst I was invited to attend the course as I was caught exceeding the speed limit, having completed it I can't help feeling something similar should be compulsory for all drivers every 10 years when they have to renew their photocard licence. Add in a compulsory sight test and health questionnaire at the same time. |
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Post by willien on Aug 22, 2024 11:26:01 GMT
Cor, anyone would think you had just been on a driving course. FWIW if C.O.A.S.T. is real then it is IMO crap. Too complicated to remember.
Whilst I was invited to attend the course as I was caught exceeding the speed limit, having completed it I can't help feeling something similar should be compulsory for all drivers every 10 years when they have to renew their photocard licence. Add in a compulsory sight test and health questionnaire at the same time. I rather agree with you. |
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Post by geoffr on Aug 22, 2024 14:13:45 GMT
Much of it is but law is relatively crude, as Zou’s example clearly demonstrates, needing a common sense explanation to make it usable. In aviation we have legislation and AMCs (acceptable means of compliance). Alternative means of compliance might be approved by an airworthiness authority as long as they meet the requirements of the legislation. I regard the Highway Code as the AMC to the various pieces of legislation. Unfortunately few pieces of legislation are written with regard to the laws of physics. As an example, up the hill from where I live the speed limit changes from 50 to 30. Just after the sign for the 30 limit is a lay-by in which the police used to position a mobile speed camera vehicle. Clearly it is perfectly legal to travel at a speed greater than 30 until reaching the sign. I often wondered how many of those caught speeding were actually in the 50 limit. I doubt those operating the vehicle were familiar with Heisenberg. The speed limit now changes further up the hill so it is academic but a court challenge would have been interesting. The legislation on pedestrian crossings equally ignores the physics, a 1,500 kg vehicle travelling at 20mph takes some distance to stop but the law doesn’t take this into account. Once on the crossing the pedestrian has priority, even is stopping a vehicle is physically impossible. It is said that the law is an ass, in reality it is a relatively crude instrument that, in the UK, requires case law to refine its application. Making the Highway Code law would probably be counterproductive, if only because it would then require an act of parliament to change it. On pedestrian crossings it is incumbent on the designers to ensure the control zone is longer than the stopping distance at that road's speed limit. I can't disagree with that. It is to be regretted then that at times they not only don't take stopping distance into account but also show no consideration for line of sight. |
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Post by geoffr on Aug 22, 2024 14:18:18 GMT
Forgive my ignorance. Is it possible to block all phone calls but still have the phone on for other things (navigation for example)? Mic In theory, mine is set to "do not disturb" whilst driving but still occasionally rings. That setting also blocks access to some other functions. I know this because Bluetooth remains active for a period even with the engine off. My car doesn't have wireless car play, I haven't got around to trying it wired, yet. |
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Post by willien on Aug 22, 2024 19:11:25 GMT
a) Kamala gives me some hope for the future.
b) Whatever happens, watching Trump bricking it is somehow very comforting.
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Post by andy on Aug 23, 2024 17:23:19 GMT
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Post by willien on Aug 23, 2024 18:34:10 GMT
I am simply gobsmacked the anywhere in Ayrshire elected a Tory. Is no where safe?
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Post by dorsetmike on Aug 23, 2024 18:35:36 GMT
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Post by gray1720 on Aug 23, 2024 18:46:16 GMT
He who soweth the wind... |
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Post by spinno on Aug 23, 2024 19:14:16 GMT
He who soweth the wind... ...grows beans? |
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Post by andy on Aug 23, 2024 22:26:57 GMT
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