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Post by mick on Sept 23, 2024 6:59:03 GMT
Strange how the Tory media have this all over the place, but has there been any mention of Jenrick getting £71,000 [more than Starmer got by a long way without breaking any rules]from a company registered abroad but which is a shell company with no assets. More Tory pressies from the Russians? S Last time I counted 71000 was less than 107000 !!
Having said that the donations (not gifts) from that company don't smell quite right.
The reason that I added not gifts is that, in the mind of MP's, there seems to be a difference between a gift of say clothes and a donation of money. Don't get it myself!!
Mick
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Post by steveandthedogs on Sept 23, 2024 8:42:21 GMT
£71000 in one "gift", £10700 from over a year or so. And as for smell, it totally stinks of corruption.
A gift is just that - nothing expected in return. A donation means "I give you £10000, you give me a contract for £10million."
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Post by peterba on Sept 23, 2024 9:49:09 GMT
Any one else think the Beeb high heid yins are Tory plants and ergo auntie is milking it like ....? I made a similar point to SWMBO yesterday, while she was watching (and I was semi-ignoring) the Kuenssberg programme yesterday.
As it turned out, however, I was wrong..... SWMBO didn't really agree with me on this. (That's her job.  ) |
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Post by geoffr on Sept 23, 2024 11:30:35 GMT
£71000 in one "gift", £10700 from over a year or so. And as for smell, it totally stinks of corruption.
A gift is just that - nothing expected in return. A donation means "I give you £10000, you give me a contract for £10million."
S If I donate to a charity I expect nothing in return. If I give something in expectation of a return it would be a purchase, or possibly a bribe. |
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Post by peterba on Sept 23, 2024 21:06:33 GMT
If I donate to a charity I expect nothing in return.
This might be a touch pedantic, but surely one does (in a manner of speaking) expect a "return"..... in the form of appropriate aid/assistance being provided to the subject of your donation.
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Post by don on Sept 23, 2024 22:21:22 GMT
I accept donations paid into my bank
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Post by spinno on Sept 23, 2024 22:45:54 GMT
I accept donations paid into my bank Sorry but my MP has first dibs |
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Post by mick on Sept 24, 2024 6:16:03 GMT
OK folks. Politics aside for a moment.
In normal English usage, can someone explain the difference between a donation and a gift?
Mick
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Post by spinno on Sept 24, 2024 6:23:37 GMT
My take is a gift is a one off item, whereas a donation may be part of a collection for example I'd make a donation to a charity for their ongoing work, but I'd give a gift to the lady in the shop as it's her birthday.
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Post by geoffr on Sept 24, 2024 6:43:58 GMT
If I donate to a charity I expect nothing in return.
This might be a touch pedantic, but surely one does (in a manner of speaking) expect a "return"..... in the form of appropriate aid/assistance being provided to the subject of your donation.
Accepting the principle that the charity doing the job for which it was founded is a “return”, there is no personal advantage gained from a donation. |
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Post by spinno on Sept 24, 2024 7:03:25 GMT
Does donation imply some form of altruism?
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Post by mick on Sept 24, 2024 7:10:47 GMT
Here's my take.
Neither word in itself implies that the giver expects anything personal in return. Both words cover single or multiple events, and both words include both goods and money.
The explanation that satisfies me most is that a gift implies no further action, the giver gets satisfaction from the pleasure of the recipient. However, a donation implies that there will be further action from the recipient (NOT direct benefit to the giver) such as a charity will use the donation to further its aims or a political party to gain power. Presumably, the giver would be in sympathy with the aims of the charity or party.
Any takers?
Mick
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Post by don on Sept 24, 2024 7:17:06 GMT
İ can’t understand how gifts of clothing is ‘required’ to make MPs look their best (I’m ad libbing there) a suit from Marks and Spencer is more acceptable in my mind as it’s more representative of the people than a 1000 pound designer suit. And as for clothing for the wife, I’d be embarrassed accepting it because I’m old fashioned and I’m here provider. And donations stink when they get into the stratosphere of hundreds of thousands and millions. Just my humble opinion but I don’t think I’m alone in my thoughts.
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Post by don on Sept 24, 2024 7:20:25 GMT
Does donation imply some form of altruism? Then it’s hundreds of thousands or in many cases millions I think it implies bribery and corruption but then I’m very cynical (I know that will come as a surprise to many)🤣 |
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Post by kate on Sept 24, 2024 7:27:44 GMT
It seems that 'donation' carries with it tax implications. A donation is to a recognised 'charity' and can be claimed against tax due. A gift does not have the same tax deductible status and tax only comes into it when inheritance tax is calculated. Gifts can be made of up to £3k a year and not be included in the estate if you die. Over that and it becomes part of your estate for tax purposes.
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