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Post by Kath on Aug 3, 2024 9:58:28 GMT
While I think Kate's right and it's good to question things, it does seem as if some people are only prepared to question *some* things and not others.
I find it amazing that so many people have been give a diagnosis of Fibromyalgia. I've been suffering constant widespread pain for years and years and even now my GP is wondering if it might not be menopause causing it. I still don't have an answer. I have also had a million blood tests, diet trials and been given antidepressants and pain killers which don't do much. I have given up asking what it is that I have because actually even if someone is prepared to give me a diagnosis, it doesn't seem as if there is much treatment. I hope your daughter finds some answers soon.
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Post by daves on Aug 3, 2024 10:05:38 GMT
There's one YT I subscribe to, "The Angry Astronaut" who has a tendency to go down the UFO / aliens rabbit hole, but he's also one of the few people who cover European (Including UK) space industry. I seriously worry about him.
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Post by dreampolice on Aug 3, 2024 10:10:30 GMT
Problem with fibro, is there is no real test. If everything else that tests can detect have been ruled out, and the symptoms fit fibro, then that is what they are left with and will probably diagnose that. She has had bloods, MRI's consults etc. We know several people who have had/have ME and it totally fits with her. She is being referred to an ME specialist now.
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Post by geoffr on Aug 3, 2024 10:23:14 GMT
While I think Kate's right and it's good to question things, it does seem as if some people are only prepared to question *some* things and not others. I find it amazing that so many people have been give a diagnosis of Fibromyalgia. I've been suffering constant widespread pain for years and years and even now my GP is wondering if it might not be menopause causing it. I still don't have an answer. I have also had a million blood tests, diet trials and been given antidepressants and pain killers which don't do much. I have given up asking what it is that I have because actually even if someone is prepared to give me a diagnosis, it doesn't seem as if there is much treatment. I hope your daughter finds some answers soon. It is good to question things, especially when someone says “trust the science”. Science progresses by people questioning it, if some “scientist” isn’t prepared to defend his/her hypothesis in public there’s something wrong. |
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Post by spinno on Aug 4, 2024 20:04:51 GMT
My wife likes to watch Blaze, channel 64 on Freeview. There’s a load of stuff about how there are aliens amongst us, and how they had a hand in building things like Stonehenge and the pyramids. There is also a lot airtime given to UFOs and similar. It seems exactly the sort of thing that Nige’s friend would lap up, assuming she hasn’t already found that channel. See also DMAX channel 39 on Freeview |
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Post by dreampolice on Aug 5, 2024 7:50:24 GMT
My wife likes to watch Blaze, channel 64 on Freeview. There’s a load of stuff about how there are aliens amongst us, and how they had a hand in building things like Stonehenge and the pyramids. There is also a lot airtime given to UFOs and similar. It seems exactly the sort of thing that Nige’s friend would lap up, assuming she hasn’t already found that channel. Is believing in aliens having a hand in pyramids, Stonehenge (or any other fantastically accurately lined up with stars buildings) any more strange than believing in, following and spreading the worlds biggest conspiracy theory. That of a god? |
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Post by Kath on Aug 5, 2024 8:06:35 GMT
My wife likes to watch Blaze, channel 64 on Freeview. There’s a load of stuff about how there are aliens amongst us, and how they had a hand in building things like Stonehenge and the pyramids. There is also a lot airtime given to UFOs and similar. It seems exactly the sort of thing that Nige’s friend would lap up, assuming she hasn’t already found that channel. Is believing in aliens having a hand in pyramids, Stonehenge (or any other fantastically accurately lined up with stars buildings) any more strange than believing in, following and spreading the worlds biggest conspiracy theory. That of a god? Nope. I have a friend who used to live in Naples. Before I went to visit her, she recommended a couple of books to read around the subject of Vesuvius and the destruction of Pompeii. They revealed the interesting tidbit that the people of Pompeii had never heard of a volcano erupting - Vesuvius hadn't in living memory and news of any other eruptions elsewhere hadn't made it to the people at that time. They assumed the occasional puffs of smoke coming off the big hill beside them were something to do with their many gods. We laughed a bit at their belief system. And then she told me she had to go to church. She is a truly devout catholic. I can't get my head around it. |
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Post by kate on Aug 5, 2024 8:43:06 GMT
Is believing in aliens having a hand in pyramids, Stonehenge (or any other fantastically accurately lined up with stars buildings) any more strange than believing in, following and spreading the worlds biggest conspiracy theory. That of a god? Nope. I have a friend who used to live in Naples. Before I went to visit her, she recommended a couple of books to read around the subject of Vesuvius and the destruction of Pompeii. They revealed the interesting tidbit that the people of Pompeii had never heard of a volcano erupting - Vesuvius hadn't in living memory and news of any other eruptions elsewhere hadn't made it to the people at that time. They assumed the occasional puffs of smoke coming off the big hill beside them were something to do with their many gods. We laughed a bit at their belief system. And then she told me she had to go to church. She is a truly devout catholic. I can't get my head around it. Spot-on Kath. I reckon a lot of our angst comes from being told and ruled/legislated by people who try to convince us they know the answers to our problems, but probably 50% of us don't believe them. We live in a society with excessive rules and laws which do liittle to improve our peace and quality of life. Some look to religion(s) for answers. Some actually believe science can provide the answers. Some believe there's other aenues to the 'truth'. Truth is (IMHO) there are no answers applicable to us all. We flounder through existence and die. End of. |
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Post by spinno on Aug 5, 2024 8:43:54 GMT
Is believing in aliens having a hand in pyramids, Stonehenge (or any other fantastically accurately lined up with stars buildings) any more strange than believing in, following and spreading the worlds biggest conspiracy theory. That of a god? Nope. I have a friend who used to live in Naples. Before I went to visit her, she recommended a couple of books to read around the subject of Vesuvius and the destruction of Pompeii. They revealed the interesting tidbit that the people of Pompeii had never heard of a volcano erupting - Vesuvius hadn't in living memory and news of any other eruptions elsewhere hadn't made it to the people at that time. They assumed the occasional puffs of smoke coming off the big hill beside them were something to do with their many gods. We laughed a bit at their belief system. And then she told me she had to go to church. She is a truly devout catholic. I can't get my head around it. Is belief the same as faith? |
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Post by kate on Aug 5, 2024 8:46:18 GMT
Nope. I have a friend who used to live in Naples. Before I went to visit her, she recommended a couple of books to read around the subject of Vesuvius and the destruction of Pompeii. They revealed the interesting tidbit that the people of Pompeii had never heard of a volcano erupting - Vesuvius hadn't in living memory and news of any other eruptions elsewhere hadn't made it to the people at that time. They assumed the occasional puffs of smoke coming off the big hill beside them were something to do with their many gods. We laughed a bit at their belief system. And then she told me she had to go to church. She is a truly devout catholic. I can't get my head around it. Is belief the same as faith? Nope. Belief is the mental state as a result of faith (in anything). |
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Post by Kath on Aug 5, 2024 9:13:47 GMT
Is belief the same as faith? Nope. Belief is the mental state as a result of faith (in anything). I'd never considered that before. I suppose faith is more akin to trust. |
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Post by steveandthedogs on Aug 5, 2024 9:23:16 GMT
Faith is optimism on your knees.
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Post by mick on Aug 5, 2024 10:25:42 GMT
Nope. Belief is the mental state as a result of faith (in anything). I'd never considered that before. I suppose faith is more akin to trust. BELIEF and FAITH, in modern usage, differ chiefly in that belief, as a rule, suggests little more than intellectual assent; faith implies in addition the element of trust or confidence
Does that help?
Mick
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Post by kate on Aug 5, 2024 14:22:08 GMT
I'd never considered that before. I suppose faith is more akin to trust. BELIEF and FAITH, in modern usage, differ chiefly in that belief, as a rule, suggests little more than intellectual assent; faith implies in addition the element of trust or confidence
Does that help?
Mick
Help how? Faith is trust without empirical evidence. It can be broken. Belief is deeply entrenched based on personal experience and logic, according to our accepted norms. Beliefs are hard to contradict or change, certainly as argued by better minds than mine, when I studied Philosophy of the mind. Perhaps what some people believe is faith, is actually a belief. |
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Post by MJB on Aug 5, 2024 17:49:58 GMT
I believe there are space aliens. I have no definitive evidence they exist, but the balance of probability is there is intelligent life out there somewhere.
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