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Post by mick on May 21, 2024 11:46:33 GMT
Stop the world. I want to get off!
Hillsborough, Post Office, Blood. All incidents caused/managed and lied about by people one ought to be able to trust.
What the devil is happening to us?
Mick
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Post by zou on May 21, 2024 12:04:54 GMT
Stop the world. I want to get off!
Hillsborough, Post Office, Blood. All incidents caused/managed and lied about by people one ought to be able to trust.
What the devil is happening to us?
Mick
We've been duped into trusting people we should never have trusted. |
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Post by spinno on May 21, 2024 12:14:42 GMT
Stop the world. I want to get off!
Hillsborough, Post Office, Blood. All incidents caused/managed and lied about by people one ought to be able to trust.
What the devil is happening to us?
Mick
We've been duped into trusting people we should never have trusted. It's always happened, definitely nothing new. Thalidomide, Profumo, Edward & Mrs Simpson, the list is almost endless, our betters and "masters" have always known better than us, but have never behaved better. |
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Post by willien on May 21, 2024 12:19:50 GMT
You do not get to the top of the planetary food chain by being a nice species.
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Post by andytake2 on May 21, 2024 13:02:19 GMT
So what have we got stored up for the future? I'm sure there's plenty of stuff tucked away that they hope gets wiped from the computer memory.
...Mind you, wasn't it Herr Thatcher who declared 'There's no such thing as society'?
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Post by mick on May 21, 2024 14:54:59 GMT
We've been duped into trusting people we should never have trusted. It's always happened, definitely nothing new. Thalidomide, Profumo, Edward & Mrs Simpson, the list is almost endless, our betters and "masters" have always known better than us, but have never behaved better. I agree of course but are your examples the same as mine? Mine were large scale "institutional lying". Whole organisations involved. Yours were individual issues in the main. Thalidomide being the exception but, maybe I'm wrong, I don't remember whole institutions lying.
I get and can deal with individuals. It's the thought of whole organisations duping us, not making mistakes or causing accidents, but deliberately and knowingly lying to us.
Mick
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Post by mick on May 21, 2024 14:56:30 GMT
So what have we got stored up for the future? I'm sure there's plenty of stuff tucked away that they hope gets wiped from the computer memory.
...Mind you, wasn't it Herr Thatcher who declared 'There's no such thing as society'?
I had predicted that Thatcher would raise her head, but never imagined that it would be so quick!! 
Mick
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Post by andy on May 21, 2024 15:14:43 GMT
It's always happened, definitely nothing new. Thalidomide, Profumo, Edward & Mrs Simpson, the list is almost endless, our betters and "masters" have always known better than us, but have never behaved better. I agree of course but are your examples the same as mine? Mine were large scale "institutional lying". Whole organisations involved. Yours were individual issues in the main. Thalidomide being the exception but, maybe I'm wrong, I don't remember whole institutions lying.
I get and can deal with individuals. It's the thought of whole organisations duping us, not making mistakes or causing accidents, but deliberately and knowingly lying to us.
Mick
Lots of organisations exist purely for the purpose of greenwashing products these days. |
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Post by willien on May 21, 2024 15:17:34 GMT
I agree of course but are your examples the same as mine? Mine were large scale "institutional lying". Whole organisations involved. Yours were individual issues in the main. Thalidomide being the exception but, maybe I'm wrong, I don't remember whole institutions lying.
I get and can deal with individuals. It's the thought of whole organisations duping us, not making mistakes or causing accidents, but deliberately and knowingly lying to us.
Mick
Lots of organisations exist purely for the purpose of greenwashing products these days. Or to make as much money as they can by greenwashing ...? |
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Post by MJB on May 21, 2024 16:05:56 GMT
Hillsborough-1989, infected blood-1970s onwards, post office scandal-1999,...
These aren't new scandals, they go back decades. Certainly in my lifetime politicians and senior public officials haven't been trustworthy. The old school tie should be used as a hangman's noose.
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Post by willien on May 21, 2024 16:14:52 GMT
Hillsborough-1989, infected blood-1970s onwards, post office scandal-1999,... These aren't new scandals, they go back decades. Certainly in my lifetime politicians and senior public officials haven't been trustworthy. The old school tie should be used as a hangman's noose. I seem to remember a few decades ago when a dam burst in Italy killing loads the authorities arrested and remanded in custody the directors of the building company first and then started asking questions. |
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Post by spinno on May 21, 2024 16:38:46 GMT
Hillsborough-1989, infected blood-1970s onwards, post office scandal-1999,... These aren't new scandals, they go back decades. Certainly in my lifetime politicians and senior public officials haven't been trustworthy. The old school tie should be used as a hangman's noose. I seem to remember a few decades ago when a dam burst in Italy killing loads the authorities arrested and remanded in custody the directors of the building company first and then started asking questions. Didn't they do that when a bridge collapsed on a main road? In this country we have Corporate Manslaughter but I don't recall anyone being prosecuted. |
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Post by willien on May 21, 2024 17:00:33 GMT
I seem to remember a few decades ago when a dam burst in Italy killing loads the authorities arrested and remanded in custody the directors of the building company first and then started asking questions. Didn't they do that when a bridge collapsed on a main road? In this country we have Corporate Manslaughter but I don't recall anyone being prosecuted. We do not have any Manslaughter in Scotland. |
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Post by spinno on May 21, 2024 17:15:25 GMT
Didn't they do that when a bridge collapsed on a main road? In this country we have Corporate Manslaughter but I don't recall anyone being prosecuted. We do not have any Manslaughter in Scotland. Thought that might be the case. Certainly in England and Wales the legislation exists. |
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Post by willien on May 21, 2024 17:43:47 GMT
We do not have any Manslaughter in Scotland. Thought that might be the case. Certainly in England and Wales the legalisation exists. We do have Corporate Homicide... |
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