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Post by mike40 on May 5, 2024 22:06:01 GMT
I have, for many years, derivedgreat pleasure from the story 'Adventures of a Photographer' by Italo Calvino. Although originally published in 1958, and concerning a young mans adventures and relationship with analogue photography, many of the characteristics of the individuals described and their involvement in their hobby is equally, if not more, relevant to the digital age. As an analogue photographer from the age of 12 and now, at the age of 75, a relatively new convert to the digital art - gone over to the dark side some would say - I thought that I would post this in the hope that it would amuse and entertain both with its continued relevance and, perhaps, spark some self-recognition as it has with me.
I hope that you enjoy it also.
Take care, Mike
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Post by don on May 7, 2024 15:04:13 GMT
I have, for many years, derivedgreat pleasure from the story 'Adventures of a Photographer' by Italo Calvino. Although originally published in 1958, and concerning a young mans adventures and relationship with analogue photography, many of the characteristics of the individuals described and their involvement in their hobby is equally, if not more, relevant to the digital age. As an analogue photographer from the age of 12 and now, at the age of 75, a relatively new convert to the digital art - gone over to the dark side some would say - I thought that I would post this in the hope that it would amuse and entertain both with its continued relevance and, perhaps, spark some self-recognition as it has with me. I hope that you enjoy it also. Take care, Mike
I don’t understand this concept of digital photography as being “gone over to the dark side” surely all photography is just that, Photography? And as for people saying phones not being ‘REAL CAMERAS’ do me a favour and join the real world. |
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Post by El Sid on May 8, 2024 11:43:20 GMT
I have, for many years, derivedgreat pleasure from the story 'Adventures of a Photographer' by Italo Calvino. Although originally published in 1958, and concerning a young mans adventures and relationship with analogue photography, many of the characteristics of the individuals described and their involvement in their hobby is equally, if not more, relevant to the digital age. As an analogue photographer from the age of 12 and now, at the age of 75, a relatively new convert to the digital art - gone over to the dark side some would say - I thought that I would post this in the hope that it would amuse and entertain both with its continued relevance and, perhaps, spark some self-recognition as it has with me. I hope that you enjoy it also. Take care, Mike
I don’t understand this concept of digital photography as being “gone over to the dark side” surely all photography is just that, Photography? And as for people saying phones not being ‘REAL CAMERAS’ do me a favour and join the real world. Shouldn't digital be "going over to the light side"? After all there's no need for a dark room is there?...   |
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Post by spinno on May 8, 2024 13:57:36 GMT
I don’t understand this concept of digital photography as being “gone over to the dark side” surely all photography is just that, Photography? And as for people saying phones not being ‘REAL CAMERAS’ do me a favour and join the real world. Shouldn't digital be "going over to the light side"? After all there's no need for a dark room is there?... I used medium format for a while...that was the dark slide... |
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Post by Chester PB on May 8, 2024 17:42:18 GMT
I have, for many years, derivedgreat pleasure from the story 'Adventures of a Photographer' by Italo Calvino. Although originally published in 1958, and concerning a young mans adventures and relationship with analogue photography, many of the characteristics of the individuals described and their involvement in their hobby is equally, if not more, relevant to the digital age. As an analogue photographer from the age of 12 and now, at the age of 75, a relatively new convert to the digital art - gone over to the dark side some would say - I thought that I would post this in the hope that it would amuse and entertain both with its continued relevance and, perhaps, spark some self-recognition as it has with me. I hope that you enjoy it also. Take care, Mike
I don’t understand this concept of digital photography as being “gone over to the dark side” surely all photography is just that, Photography? And as for people saying phones not being ‘REAL CAMERAS’ do me a favour and join the real world. However, many images enjoyed on smartphones have not come from 'the real world'... and too many people do not realise this. Whereas a real camera can only display images taken with it (unless somebody goes to the trouble of copying images onto its memory card). |
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Post by Kath on May 9, 2024 12:07:44 GMT
I don’t understand this concept of digital photography as being “gone over to the dark side” surely all photography is just that, Photography? And as for people saying phones not being ‘REAL CAMERAS’ do me a favour and join the real world. However, many images enjoyed on smartphones have not come from 'the real world'... and too many people do not realise this. Whereas a real camera can only display images taken with it (unless somebody goes to the trouble of copying images onto its memory card). I'm not sure what you mean by this? If I take a photograph with my phone it has come from the same real world as the one that would be there in front of my 'real' camera. If you mean that I can view AI and/or extensively edited photographs on my phone, then that's true but it's also true for my laptop/desktop/ipad. I'm only looking at my own images on the back of my camera - and actually I rarely look at them there anyway - I take them off the camera and onto the computer. So I'm not sure a) what you mean and b)what your point is! Sorry. I may be being a bit slow! |
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Post by MJB on May 9, 2024 16:55:54 GMT
I think what Chester is trying to say is that the Cottingley Fairies were real.
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Post by gray1720 on May 9, 2024 17:13:24 GMT
Surely film photography is going over to the dark sLide?
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Post by Chester PB on May 9, 2024 17:54:59 GMT
I think what Chester is trying to say is that the Cottingley Fairies were real. In a way, yes. Or at least they were to some people, and today such an image would 'go viral' and be believed by millions seeing it on their smartphones. What I meant was that, as well as displaying images of real things taken by that smartphone, the same device can display images that are fake and misleading because of its internet connection.
Or to put it another way, images reviewed on the screen of a real camera are unlikely to be a threat to democracy, whereas those displayed on a smartphone may be. I have met people (mostly much younger than me) who accept without question that most images they see on their smartphones are real and any information displayed with them is correct. Perhaps these are the same people who fall for scams and other obvious attempts to rob them or 'harvest' their credit card or bank account details.
The problem is that the rest of us (the careful ones) have to fund the refunds they expect from banks as a result of their stupidity, because the funds used for this can only come from other bank customers. Perhaps not directly, by in the form of lower interest rates on savings and bank charges.
I know I've wandered a bit 'off topic' here - sorry.
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Post by spinno on May 9, 2024 18:04:27 GMT
Surely film photography is going over to the dark sLide? Keep up...See my post #4 |
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Post by zou on May 9, 2024 18:07:50 GMT
However, many images enjoyed on smartphones have not come from 'the real world'... and too many people do not realise this. Whereas a real camera can only display images taken with it (unless somebody goes to the trouble of copying images onto its memory card). I'm not sure what you mean by this? If I take a photograph with my phone it has come from the same real world as the one that would be there in front of my 'real' camera. If you mean that I can view AI and/or extensively edited photographs on my phone, then that's true but it's also true for my laptop/desktop/ipad. I'm only looking at my own images on the back of my camera - and actually I rarely look at them there anyway - I take them off the camera and onto the computer. So I'm not sure a) what you mean and b)what your point is! Sorry. I may be being a bit slow! I assumed (incorrectly, it transpired) that this referred to Samsung replacing your photo of the moon with a far more detailed one to give the impression their camera is better than it really is, and that sort of AI-driven malarkey. |
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Post by Chester PB on May 9, 2024 21:15:38 GMT
I'm not sure what you mean by this? If I take a photograph with my phone it has come from the same real world as the one that would be there in front of my 'real' camera. If you mean that I can view AI and/or extensively edited photographs on my phone, then that's true but it's also true for my laptop/desktop/ipad. I'm only looking at my own images on the back of my camera - and actually I rarely look at them there anyway - I take them off the camera and onto the computer. So I'm not sure a) what you mean and b)what your point is! Sorry. I may be being a bit slow! I assumed (incorrectly, it transpired) that this referred to Samsung replacing your photo of the moon with a far more detailed one to give the impression their camera is better than it really is, and that sort of AI-driven malarkey. If I understand AP's smartphone reviews correctly (can anybody honestly claim this?), all the latest models are under the control of 'AI-driven malarkey'. The logical development will be that soon they take only the idealised picture the user wanted, rather than an accurate rendition of what was in front of the lens. Or is this already happening and nobody has noticed? |
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Post by zou on May 9, 2024 21:32:18 GMT
No, that's not happened or happening (yet). AI is being used to select the 'best' frame of a burst, insert open eyes if someone was blinking, etc., but it's not generative AI creating entire new images.
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Post by Kath on May 10, 2024 16:47:20 GMT
No, that's not happened or happening (yet). AI is being used to select the 'best' frame of a burst, insert open eyes if someone was blinking, etc., but it's not generative AI creating entire new images. I suspect my phone is too old for that kind of carry on. Or I've just not figured out how to use it! |
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