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Post by kate on Dec 18, 2022 13:51:06 GMT
My source for the 'banked' hours plan was my postie. He's not some militant trade unionist, but his is mightily pee'd off with the Royal Mail's plans. A friend of mine worked as a health & safety guy at Network rail before retiring. From a purely safety perspective he's horrified at the staffing cuts the rail companies are proposing. Feel free to moan about people getting 'high' pay rises, but remember that anyone claiming a state pension is getting a 10% rise. I am glad to get a 10% rise. I'm sure c.£18 a week will help greatly with rising costs. |
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Post by willien on Dec 18, 2022 18:07:54 GMT
I for one am not moaning about people getting "high" pay rises, though I do moan about the way nurses, for example, have been and are being treated. Re state pension going up by 10.1 percent next spring. That represents another income cut in real terms after last years income cut in real terms. I have work pension arrrangements so that is not going to put me on the breadline but it will be serious for many pensioners and those currently working might care to reflect on what state pension they hope to get - once they eventually catch up with the increasing entitlement age of course.
Note, some of the more rabid Tories want the state pension to be re-classified as a "benefit". Why would they want to do that? Benefits are means tested are they not? Not to mention being the requirement to be available for and actively seeking work.
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Post by MJB on Dec 18, 2022 18:14:53 GMT
There's no disputing the state pension is a small amount, but it is still being increased by 10%, which is a lot more than people on other benefits are getting and the state pension doesn't exclude you from claiming other benefits. I doubt the 10% increase has conditions applied like any wage increase for workers would. It's fair to assume that the trade unions are more likely to support any attempt to improve the state pension than the bosses or the current government. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2022 18:50:33 GMT
ETA, I also get a company pension, but the rules only allow a maximum increase of 5% p.a., although the company can allow more at it's discretion.
Probably the trustees of the pension scheme rather than the directors of the company. I somehow doubt there will be many increases above 5%. So unless you have an index linked scheme you are unlikely to get 10%.
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Post by davem399 on Dec 19, 2022 9:14:41 GMT
ETA, I also get a company pension, but the rules only allow a maximum increase of 5% p.a., although the company can allow more at it's discretion. Probably the trustees of the pension scheme rather than the directors of the company. I somehow doubt there will be many increases above 5%. So unless you have an index linked scheme you are unlikely to get 10%. Yes, is it the pension trustees that run the scheme. Any increase above the ceiling of 5% is discretionary and requires the company’s consent. |
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Post by andy on Dec 19, 2022 16:39:21 GMT
My source for the 'banked' hours plan was my postie. He's not some militant trade unionist, but his is mightily pee'd off with the Royal Mail's plans. A friend of mine worked as a health & safety guy at Network rail before retiring. From a purely safety perspective he's horrified at the staffing cuts the rail companies are proposing. Feel free to moan about people getting 'high' pay rises, but remember that anyone claiming a state pension is getting a 10% rise. |
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Post by mick on Dec 19, 2022 20:57:54 GMT
Sorry. For some reason my screen freezes and I can’t read your link.
Mick
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Post by andy on Dec 19, 2022 21:04:17 GMT
Sorry. For some reason my screen freezes and I can’t read your link. Mick An internal Royal Mail memo leaked by the CWU: Attachment Deleted |
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Post by kate on Dec 20, 2022 8:52:42 GMT
Just heard a spokesman on Radio4 say (paraphrased) that a lack of workers makes it difficult to keep down... inflation. I swear he was going to say wages!
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Post by andy on Dec 20, 2022 11:20:42 GMT
Just heard a spokesman on Radio4 say (paraphrased) that a lack of workers makes it difficult to keep down... inflation. I swear he was going to say wages! Maybe he never walks past a food bank and figures there's a lack of decent jobs. At the local supermarket, which is one of the largest employers in the UK, they offered me a part time general assistant job after they did away with the full time team leader job I'd been doing. Since the likes of Lidl and Aldi came on the scene it's been a race to the bottom there. Protecting profits and the share price is a higher priority than creating decent jobs or customer service. Same with the banks where my job went to some of Rishi's wife's low paid minions. |
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Post by kate on Dec 20, 2022 15:36:10 GMT
Just a thought, prompted by a study which has been done on the effect of the continual bad news culture we are living in - and have been for a few years now. The study was on 'news' stress on people and how it affects some at least.
The conclusion was that it really adversely affected news junkies (I am one) causing anger, frustration and depression. Due, almost in whole, because we hear these things and can do nothing about the situation.
I do wonder if strikes, are in part, various sectors feel they can actually do something in response? I know all the reasons given are valid, but the action is extreme and perhaps influenced by the years of frustration and inability to do anything about it.
I know that sounds simplistic, but perhaps we will see more strong or extreme reactions to situations we might have taken with a shrug, pre-Brexit, pre-Covid, pre-fuel prices, pre-general price increases and even pre-climate change and finger pointing.
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Post by zou on Dec 20, 2022 16:57:59 GMT
Just a thought, prompted by a study which has been done on the effect of the continual bad news culture we are living in - and have been for a few years now. The study was on 'news' stress on people and how it affects some at least. The conclusion was that it really adversely affected news junkies (I am one) causing anger, frustration and depression. Due, almost in whole, because we hear these things and can do nothing about the situation. I do wonder if strikes, are in part, various sectors feel they can actually do something in response? I know all the reasons given are valid, but the action is extreme and perhaps influenced by the years of frustration and inability to do anything about it. I know that sounds simplistic, but perhaps we will see more strong or extreme reactions to situations we might have taken with a shrug, pre-Brexit, pre-Covid, pre-fuel prices, pre-general price increases and even pre-climate change and finger pointing. Perhaps that contributes to the willingness to strike, but the primary reason is because it is one of the most powerful tools a worker has, the collective act of withholding labour. |
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Post by kate on Dec 20, 2022 17:22:15 GMT
I agree with you about being more willing to strike. That really was my point. I accept all the other reasons, but I suspect many might not have voted for a strike had the last years not showed them that being pragmatic was not the answer.
With two sides so polarised, revolution is in the air.
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Post by Ivor E Tower on Dec 20, 2022 17:29:49 GMT
I still think that the Posties would get more support from the public (and a faster resolution to their dispute) if they just said that they would carry on working but no letter or parcel would need to have any paid postage on it, they'd accept and deliver all parcels and letters for free
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Post by peterba on Dec 20, 2022 19:29:32 GMT
Just a thought, prompted by a study which has been done on the effect of the continual bad news culture we are living in - and have been for a few years now. The study was on 'news' stress on people and how it affects some at least. The conclusion was that it really adversely affected news junkies (I am one) causing anger, frustration and depression. Due, almost in whole, because we hear these things and can do nothing about the situation.
[bold highlights] We could vote the "bad news culture" out.  |
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