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Post by aitch on Jun 27, 2023 13:30:38 GMT
Something weird is going on with Panasonic.
I have, after much thought, gone back to Lumix kit. I got a G80 in hardly used condition for a good price and thought I might get the G90, which has the larger sensor. However...
The G90 is still listed on the UK Panasonic site, but if you click on the 'Shop' button you get a message saying "Sorry, this product is currently not available at any of our online partners.'. Nor is it available from the Panasonic on-line shop. Mind you, most of the G cameras are 'Out of Stock' on that page.
So I did a bit of googling. There are a few G90s on sale - nearly all used, body only. The only new ones I found are from Photospecialist - a UK shopfront for a company in the Netherlands. They also stock the G91 - the German version.
Further searching brought up pages that suggest that the model is no longer being imported into the UK (Brexit?) and that, according to some people, price drops in various countries suggest it may be on the way out globally, so Panasonic can concentrate on pushing the G9. And possibly the G100.
I think Panasonic need to get their act together, communications wise!
Oh and I got a used, excellent condition G100 body to check out the sensor. It's nice.  |
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Post by spinno on Jun 27, 2023 13:39:09 GMT
It's the same with the GX series...GX 9 seems to have been and gone but GX80(85) still sales on (see what I did there)
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Post by El Sid on Jun 27, 2023 14:49:24 GMT
I suspect Panasonic are putting a lot more effort into the S series cameras than the G series as there seems to be very little apparent development in the G range. A lot of commentators also seem to think that the M4/3 sensor may have topped out at 20Mp...
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Post by spinno on Jun 27, 2023 17:21:09 GMT
I suspect Panasonic are putting a lot more effort into the S series cameras than the G series as there seems to be very little apparent development in the G range. A lot of commentators also seem to think that the M4/3 sensor may have topped out at 20Mp... 20mp is enough for most needs, certainly in my experience. Sometimes in some formats there is no satisfying the MP hunger |
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Post by geoffr on Jun 27, 2023 17:58:27 GMT
I suspect Panasonic are putting a lot more effort into the S series cameras than the G series as there seems to be very little apparent development in the G range. A lot of commentators also seem to think that the M4/3 sensor may have topped out at 20Mp... 20mp is enough for most needs, certainly in my experience. Sometimes in some formats there is no satisfying the MP hunger Not according to many DP Review members, “60MP isn’t a big enough step up from 45MP”. Strange that I discovered stepping up from 12MP to 16MP was definitely worthwhile as was 16MP to 20MP. I get the impression that many DPR members have money to burn. A little maths suggests the pixels density of a 20MP M4/3 sensor equates to 71MP (give or take a bit) on a 24 x 36 sensor. One has to assume that the bigger sensor might be noisier. If 20MP is the limit for the 4/3 sensor, with current manufacturing technology, 71MP might be the practical limit for 24 x 36. Is a greater pixel density practical? |
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Post by spinno on Jun 27, 2023 18:00:26 GMT
20mp is enough for most needs, certainly in my experience. Sometimes in some formats there is no satisfying the MP hunger Not according to many DP Review members, “60MP isn’t a big enough step up from 45MP”. Strange that I discovered stepping up from 12MP to 16MP was definitely worthwhile as was 16MP to 20MP. I get the impression that many DPR members have money to burn. A little maths suggests the pixels density of a 20MP M4/3 sensor equates to 71MP (give or take a bit) on a 24 x 36 sensor. One has to assume that the bigger sensor might be noisier. If 20MP is the limit for the 4/3 sensor, with current manufacturing technology, 71MP might be the practical limit for 24 x 36. Is a greater pixel density practical? With AI making great strides 1 pixel should be enough |
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Post by El Sid on Jun 28, 2023 12:33:15 GMT
20mp is enough for most needs, certainly in my experience. Sometimes in some formats there is no satisfying the MP hunger Not according to many DP Review members, “60MP isn’t a big enough step up from 45MP”. Strange that I discovered stepping up from 12MP to 16MP was definitely worthwhile as was 16MP to 20MP. I get the impression that many DPR members have money to burn. A little maths suggests the pixels density of a 20MP M4/3 sensor equates to 71MP (give or take a bit) on a 24 x 36 sensor. One has to assume that the bigger sensor might be noisier. If 20MP is the limit for the 4/3 sensor, with current manufacturing technology, 71MP might be the practical limit for 24 x 36. Is a greater pixel density practical? Is it needed even?  How many people really need 30, 40, 50Mp+ cameras? Unless users regularly print to huge sizes or crop to a ridiculous level I suspect most folks are not making anything like full use of the sensor and could easily get by on far fewer pixels. I knew a photographer at club who could get excellent quality A2 prints from his 10Mp 40D albeit without much option to crop - even just for compositional formatting. For what I do 10-16Mp is more than enough and I can still get a useable image from the mere 3.2Mp on my old D30. Personally I'd rather have fewer Mp and better noise performance at high ISO... |
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Post by geoffr on Jun 28, 2023 12:42:32 GMT
Not according to many DP Review members, “60MP isn’t a big enough step up from 45MP”. Strange that I discovered stepping up from 12MP to 16MP was definitely worthwhile as was 16MP to 20MP. I get the impression that many DPR members have money to burn. A little maths suggests the pixels density of a 20MP M4/3 sensor equates to 71MP (give or take a bit) on a 24 x 36 sensor. One has to assume that the bigger sensor might be noisier. If 20MP is the limit for the 4/3 sensor, with current manufacturing technology, 71MP might be the practical limit for 24 x 36. Is a greater pixel density practical? Is it needed even? How many people really need 30, 40, 50Mp+ cameras? Unless users regularly print to huge sizes or crop to a ridiculous level I suspect most folks are not making anything like full use of the sensor and could easily get by on far fewer pixels. I knew a photographer at club who could get excellent quality A2 prints from his 10Mp 40D albeit without much option to crop - even just for compositional formatting. For what I do 10-16Mp is more than enough and I can still get a useable image from the mere 3.2Mp on my old D30. Personally I'd rather have fewer Mp and better noise performance at high ISO... There are some who don’t think it is possible to have too may pixels. Some of those refuse to believe that there is a physical limit to the number of pixels that can be packed onto a 24 x 36mm Silicon wafer. shooting with more pixels is fun, until you find that your hard drive is full! |
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Lumix G90
Jun 28, 2023 13:23:15 GMT
via mobile
Post by andy on Jun 28, 2023 13:23:15 GMT
Something weird is going on with Panasonic.
I have, after much thought, gone back to Lumix kit. I got a G80 in hardly used condition for a good price and thought I might get the G90, which has the larger sensor. However...
The G90 is still listed on the UK Panasonic site, but if you click on the 'Shop' button you get a message saying "Sorry, this product is currently not available at any of our online partners.'. Nor is it available from the Panasonic on-line shop. Mind you, most of the G cameras are 'Out of Stock' on that page.
So I did a bit of googling. There are a few G90s on sale - nearly all used, body only. The only new ones I found are from Photospecialist - a UK shopfront for a company in the Netherlands. They also stock the G91 - the German version.
Further searching brought up pages that suggest that the model is no longer being imported into the UK (Brexit?) and that, according to some people, price drops in various countries suggest it may be on the way out globally, so Panasonic can concentrate on pushing the G9. And possibly the G100.
I think Panasonic need to get their act together, communications wise!
Oh and I got a used, excellent condition G100 body to check out the sensor. It's nice. FWIW Techmoan on YouTube recently did a video about CD players and looked at the Sony website to see what you could still buy and it turns out nothing listed was available if he tried to order. Sounds a bit similar to your experience with these cameras. Ps. Happy new camera  |
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Post by Ivor E Tower on Jun 28, 2023 19:19:16 GMT
Try buying a new G100, that is also out of stock almost everywhere. I wonder if Panasonic are about to exit the micro four-thirds market; the G9 is long overdue a replacement as is the GX880
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Post by zou on Jun 28, 2023 19:26:34 GMT
Try buying a new G100, that is also out of stock almost everywhere. I wonder if Panasonic are about to exit the micro four-thirds market; the G9 is long overdue a replacement as is the GX880 Rather than exit more likely consolidation of what's profitable, which is probably just the GH series. |
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Post by aitch on Jun 28, 2023 20:15:59 GMT
Try buying a new G100, that is also out of stock almost everywhere. I wonder if Panasonic are about to exit the micro four-thirds market; the G9 is long overdue a replacement as is the GX880 Rather than exit more likely consolidation of what's profitable, which is probably just the GH series. Currys, Wex, Castle and LCE claim to have it in stock. And Amazon, of course.
I doubt they'll drop the Gs (9/80/100) - they are technically the entry-level models.
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Lumix G90
Jun 28, 2023 20:39:36 GMT
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Post by zou on Jun 28, 2023 20:39:36 GMT
Enjoying the G100?
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Post by Ivor E Tower on Jun 28, 2023 21:02:29 GMT
A qualified "yes"; it suffers from the Lumix menu system and I prefer Olympus's menu system
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Post by aitch on Jun 29, 2023 5:59:12 GMT
Yes. Gave it a quick test with the 14-42mm ii the other day* and I'm impressed by the results. Now I need to check out its performance with my other Lumix lenses. And the Sigma 60mm, which is quite old; will it work with such a recent model?
It's a lot smaller and lighter than the G80, which may lead to balance/handling problems with some of the bigger lenses. And, it being a Vlogger oriented camera with a dedicated tripod/grip, no-one is likely to produce an add-on grip for it, which could be useful. But it's slightly larger than my TZ100, so that shouldn't be too much of a problem.
As for the menus... well my first digital ILC was a G3, followed by a G5, so I'm OK with them. And all menu systems are much of a muchness, with their own little quirks to make them interesting.
One interesting(?) thing. I'll be getting a printed copy of the manual from Oldtimer Cameras (or whatever they call themselves these days). It's 520 pages and comes in two volumes! I suspect a lot of it will be video related.
* would normally have done a lot more with it by now, but this weather is too good i.e. hot - I'm too knackered most of the time to do anything. I think age may be catching up with me.  |
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