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Post by zou on Feb 4, 2023 10:54:39 GMT
Question for those with Fujifilms or Nikon Df/Z fc etc. with old school shutter speed dials and aperture controllable on lens dial.
Do you actually use them or just stick with generic control wheels?
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Post by daves on Feb 4, 2023 11:03:25 GMT
Being an old school dinosaur, I prefer the old fashioned dials and aperture ring.
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Post by aitch on Feb 4, 2023 11:04:24 GMT
Depends. Most of the time I have my cameras set to P which covers general snapping, but if I need to mess with DoF or movement, I use the aperture or shutter speed controls.
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Post by peterba on Feb 4, 2023 11:16:20 GMT
I much prefer to use the shutter speed dial, and aperture ring, if they are available,
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Post by stevewmh on Feb 4, 2023 11:33:05 GMT
If the lens has an aperture ring I prefer to use it. I also like that manual controls like s/speed dials and aperture rings can be set without even having the camera turned on. Sort of a quick glance and you know how it's set
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Post by geoffr on Feb 4, 2023 12:24:34 GMT
OK I’ll spoil the consensus, I have lenses with aperture rings but I prefer to use the command dial because the aperture rings have detents but I can select 1/3 stops with the command dial. Also, by locking the aperture rings all my lenses are controlled in the same way.
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Post by squeamishossifrage on Feb 4, 2023 12:34:37 GMT
A lone voice in the wilderness - I far prefer control wheels! 99% of my stuff is taken in aperture priority, the principal exceptions being focus-stacking and panoramas, done in manual. Even HDR is done in Aperture Priority. I use the front wheel for exposure compensation, and the rear for aperture. Using the wheels, I can evaluate if the aperture will provide the desired depth of field with the camera to my eye. I can also evaluate if the shutter speed is sufficient for what I want to achieve, and if not, a quick dab of the ISO button, and the rear wheel becomes the ISO ISO wheel. Reset ISO, another dam, and back to aperture - all without taking the camera away from the eye! Wheelz Rulez, OK!  |
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Post by zou on Feb 4, 2023 12:43:04 GMT
The reason I asked is because I've yet to see a Fujifilm user YouTuber use the manual controls, just exposure comp. And yet the big driver of folk to those cameras was often the dedicated controls available. Wondering whether it's another killer feature fail or just says something about the type of Fujifilm user that YouTubes?
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Post by nimbus on Feb 4, 2023 12:43:10 GMT
Question for those with Fujifilms or Nikon Df/Z fc etc. with old school shutter speed dials and aperture controllable on lens dial. Do you actually use them or just stick with generic control wheels? I tend to use aperture priority mode on my Fujifilm cameras, I use the aperture ring. When I use a Nikon AF-S G lens via the Fringer adaptor I use the wheel on the camera to adjust the aperture as these lenses don't have aperture rings. |
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Post by geoffr on Feb 4, 2023 12:57:08 GMT
Question for those with Fujifilms or Nikon Df/Z fc etc. with old school shutter speed dials and aperture controllable on lens dial. Do you actually use them or just stick with generic control wheels? I tend to use aperture priority mode on my Fujifilm cameras, I use the aperture ring. When I use a Nikon AF-S G lens via the Fringer adaptor I use the wheel on the camera to adjust the aperture as these lenses don't have aperture rings. Hence my preference for locking aperture rings where I have them. My most used lenses don’t have them so it makes sense to use the command dials for all lenses. Of course if you’re a Nikon user and want to use P or S modes you have to lock the aperture rings or the camera can’t control the diaphragm. |
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Post by peterob on Feb 4, 2023 13:30:09 GMT
The reason I asked is because I've yet to see a Fujifilm user YouTuber use the manual controls, just exposure comp. And yet the big driver of folk to those cameras was often the dedicated controls available. Wondering whether it's another killer feature fail or just says something about the type of Fujifilm user that YouTubes? I use the aperture ring on the lens - this is a control ring in essence. Not all are marked in F stops and an unmarked one is a)easy to move by accident b) needs an extra check that the F stop is as intended in case of a). I use aperture priority so the exposure time dial is not relevant. I set ISO. Exposure compensation may/may not be easier to spot if selected using a dial but it is marginal. Coming from Canon where setting F stop requires button press and control dial I’m not actually fussed about the method to be used but I prefer Canon ergonomics - probably just habit because i’ve had the cameras longer. do you really, really watch people playing with camera settings on youtube? Day 10 in hospital bed and I’m a long ways off doing that. |
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Post by zou on Feb 4, 2023 13:50:40 GMT
The reason I asked is because I've yet to see a Fujifilm user YouTuber use the manual controls, just exposure comp. And yet the big driver of folk to those cameras was often the dedicated controls available. Wondering whether it's another killer feature fail or just says something about the type of Fujifilm user that YouTubes? do you really, really watch people playing with camera settings on youtube? Day 10 in hospital bed and I’m a long ways off doing that.  Actually no, they don't play with them, and that's the point. It struck me today because the guy showed the top plate on his X100F and X100T and both clearly on the A position. Triggered my thought to ask the question here. |
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Post by peterba on Feb 4, 2023 14:24:33 GMT
do you really, really watch people playing with camera settings on youtube? Day 10 in hospital bed and I’m a long ways off doing that. Actually no, they don't play with them, and that's the point. It struck me today because the guy showed the top plate on his X100F and X100T and both clearly on the A position. Triggered my thought to ask the question here.
If the dials are both set to A, it doesn't necessarily mean that they don't use the dials - independently - at other times. It could simply mean that they just happen to be using full auto mode at the time of filming.
Or of course, they could be youtube duffers - just playing at it.  |
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Post by stevewmh on Feb 24, 2023 10:09:22 GMT
One of the great things with Fuji cameras is you can toggle and reset ap, s/speed, and iso using the front control wheel without ever lowering the camera from you eye. You can ever alter expo comp with the front wheel if the exp comp dial is set to c.
I've seen some of the YouTube experts, I'm not sure they fully understand how the cameras work ? A lot of what these cameras can do is found by "playing" with them than reading the manuals.
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Post by nickr on Feb 24, 2023 10:21:52 GMT
I love using old cameras, but in all honesty, control wheels is a far better way of doing it. I can adjust aperture and shutter speed simultaneously with one hand - can't do that with traditional controls. Don't need to very often, but when I do...
I've got one native AF lens with an aperture ring, a Viltrox 23mm f1.4 for Canon EF-M. It's fun as a novelty, but not massively useful.
And my RF lenses have a control ring that can be set as an aperture ring - I don't, because it's really no advantage.
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