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Post by mick on Jul 16, 2024 6:55:25 GMT
I saw past the technical inaccuracies and admired the way that the idea of magic was introduced and, again, the magic of seeing an image appearing draws the photographer into the process. I also enjoyed the penultimate paragraph. I thought that the language was very engaging. The contrast between digital and film was apposite, too. Forget the technical errors, the fact that a computer algorithm could produce anything like it is amazing. To me at least. Mick It's basically trained on other people's writing that they actually thought about and they should be credited, not the algorithm. I'll partially buy that and if I knew who they were I would credit them. However some credit is due to the software, or the person that wrote it. It could have produced a dry as dust instruction sheet (I might have done that!) but instead it produced something that was quite engaging. Full of errors as has been noted but with some 'emotional' merit.
Also remember that this was from a free, randomly selected, net site. It's unlikely to be state of the art!
As I've said I was surprised by the output, warts and all, and I'm starting to get a glimpse of what all the fuss is about.
Mick
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Post by mick on Jul 16, 2024 7:53:05 GMT
Instructions for Developing a Photographic Film:
Prepare the developer solution by mixing the developer and water as per the manufacturer's instructions.
Load the exposed film into a film developing tank in a darkroom or changing bag.
Pour the developer solution into the tank and agitate gently for the first minute, then at regular intervals.
After the recommended developing time, pour out the developer and rinse the film with water.
Fix the film by preparing the fixer solution and following similar steps as with the developer.
Rinse the film thoroughly with water to remove any residual chemicals.
Hang the film to dry in a dust-free area.
Once dry, cut the film into individual frames and store properly.
Remember to follow the specific instructions provided with the film and chemicals for best results.
Another example. Still not perfect. This time the request was to 'write instructions' the first request was something like 'write an article'
Mick
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Post by John Farrell on Jul 16, 2024 8:25:21 GMT
Instructions for Developing a Photographic Film: Prepare the developer solution by mixing the developer and water as per the manufacturer's instructions. Load the exposed film into a film developing tank in a darkroom or changing bag. Pour the developer solution into the tank and agitate gently for the first minute, then at regular intervals. After the recommended developing time, pour out the developer and rinse the film with water. Fix the film by preparing the fixer solution and following similar steps as with the developer. Rinse the film thoroughly with water to remove any residual chemicals. Hang the film to dry in a dust-free area. Once dry, cut the film into individual frames and store properly. Remember to follow the specific instructions provided with the film and chemicals for best results. Another example. Still not perfect. This time the request was to 'write instructions' the first request was something like 'write an article' Mick There is a lot there I would take issue with - Choice of developer dilution, and why you would choose it. Where do you find the recommended developing time? Agitation of developing tanks went out when good lids allowed inversion of the tank. The number of inversions is often a matter of personal taste. Some prefer a stop bath before the fixer. It would be best to prepare the fixer before you begin... Washing instructions should be more specific than "wash thoroughly". Cutting 35mm film (which most beginners start with) into individual frames will introduce one to a world of pain. |
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Post by mick on Jul 16, 2024 8:42:25 GMT
John,
All your remarks are correct. I also notice that there's no mention of temperature.
I still think that you are seeing the trees and not the wood! Maybe I'm being naive but I'm astonished that a free AI programme should produce something that's even close to the real procedure. As I say maybe I'm out of touch and shouldn't be surprised but, nevertheless, I am.
I won't remember this at all, but there's a punch line to some story that goes something like, "one isn't astonished that it wasn't done well, but one is astonished that it was done at all"
Mick
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Post by MJB on Jul 16, 2024 8:45:22 GMT
If AI scares you don't have your semen frozen.
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Post by John Farrell on Jul 16, 2024 8:53:48 GMT
John, All your remarks are correct. I also notice that there's no mention of temperature. I still think that you are seeing the trees and not the wood! Maybe I'm being naive but I'm astonished that a free AI programme should produce something that's even close to the real procedure. As I say maybe I'm out of touch and shouldn't be surprised but, nevertheless, I am. I won't remember this at all, but there's a punch line to some story that goes something like, "one isn't astonished that it wasn't done well, but one is astonished that it was done at all" Mick It seem to me to be a slightly more advanced version of this : www.artybollocks.com/ |
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Post by zou on Jul 16, 2024 8:59:22 GMT
The not done well vs done at all applies equally to Trump's ear...
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Post by mick on Jul 16, 2024 9:59:11 GMT
If AI scares you don't have your semen frozen. That wasn't part of my immediate plan!!
Mick
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Post by Chester PB on Jul 17, 2024 15:52:57 GMT
**The Art of Developing Photographic Film: A Journey Through Chemical Magic** ... The above is pure AI. My only instruction was to write 300 words on developing photographic film. I haven't altered anything at all. Anyone else find it scary? Mick Having developed 35 mm film and produced prints from it, both at home, my most polite observation would be 'complete bollocks'. Anybody seriously wanting to develop and print for the first time would be best advised to look on the Abe Books website for some 50-60 year old books about how to do it. However, how many 'first timers' would even consider referring to a book when rubbish like this is so easily available? |
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Post by spinno on Jul 17, 2024 19:07:29 GMT
It's great when AI crap is called out, but there are those who will be taken in by it. On another forum I think I was pooh-poohed about my view of AI. The above proves I may be on to something...
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Post by Ivor E Tower on Jul 17, 2024 20:28:46 GMT
**The Art of Developing Photographic Film: A Journey Through Chemical Magic** (snip) It requires dedication, persistence, and a willingness to get lost in the process. I never got lost in the process. I always knew where I was when I emerged from the darkroom (uni) or bathroom (home) |
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Post by mick on Jul 18, 2024 7:10:15 GMT
OK I get it. AI is oblox! I do find many of these replies akin to complaining to the Wright brothers that their plane didn't have luggage space or hot food. I also hope (and this is genuine) that the AI that reads my MRI scan or my wife’s mammogram, should we need one or the other, is better than the example I used. 
Mick
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Post by spinno on Jul 18, 2024 7:12:33 GMT
OK I get it. AI is oblox! I do find many of these replies akin to complaining to the Wright brothers that their plane didn't have luggage space or hot food. I also hope (and this is genuine) that the AI that reads my MRI scan or my wife’s mammogram, should we need one or the other, is better than the example I used.
Mick
The AI that's helping us with medicine is hopefully better "trained" than the one used by Mills and Boon |
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Post by zx9 on Jul 18, 2024 8:28:05 GMT
Wont be long before most GPs functions are replaced by AI and people waiting to for a Proctologist will be told "The Bot Bot will see you now". Anyone who watched Fall Out, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallout_(American_TV_series) may not be looking forward to an age of medical robotics. |
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Post by spinno on Jul 18, 2024 9:03:34 GMT
Wont be long before most GPs functions are replaced by AI and people waiting to for a Proctologist will be told "The Bot Bot will see you now". Anyone who watched Fall Out, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallout_(American_TV_series) may not be looking forward to an age of medical robotics. I think the Borg in Star Trek got it right.... |
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