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Post by willien on Feb 22, 2024 12:36:02 GMT
Sir Lindsay Hoyle is currently under pressure after he breached convention by additing the proposed Labour amendment to parliamentary debate on Gaza thereby causing embarrasement to Parliament and stealing my party's thunder. There are allegations that he crumbled under pressure from the Labour Party which allegedly threatened to unseat him and deny him a seat in the House of Lords. He says he wanted to facilitate the widest possible debate. Last night Ian Duncan Smith sounded erudite and statesman like talking of the need for government to defend the parliamentary constitutional rights of smaller parties - that was a bit of a shock. However today Penny Maurdent was peddling the same line to IDS was obvioyusly fed a script by the Tory Party machine.
Personally I think: He has in the main been an excellent and scrupulously fair Speaker. On this occasion he made a serious mistake. That mistake has not made one iota of difference to the situation in Gaza as both factions will ignore whatever the UK parliament votes for anyway. The "huge embarrassement for parliament" is of virtually no interest outside the hothouse of the said parliament.
I therefor hope he survives and continues as Speaker. I also think the Tories are simply trying to gain advantage from the situation. I think the SNP have a mixture of seeking advantage and being genuinely furious.
Any opinions out there?
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Post by El Sid on Feb 22, 2024 12:40:43 GMT
I saw something about this on Newsnight, frankly I got the impression the 'row', if such it can be called, was rather more about scoring political points than any genuine concern about the whole Gaza conflict - dreadful as it is...
I fear that Sir Lindsay was placed in a 'damned if I do, damned if I don't' scenario for which I don't think he should be scapegoated.
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Post by spinno on Feb 22, 2024 12:45:31 GMT
The man was trying to widen the debate, what would have happened if all the motions and amendments had been carried.
The Tories clearly have disdain for the Speaker, look at the way they conduct business via leak rather than Parliamentary announcement, they tried to stiff Bercow, now they're trying with Hoyle.
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Post by steveandthedogs on Feb 22, 2024 13:19:01 GMT
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Post by willien on Feb 22, 2024 13:30:02 GMT
IMO his heart is generally in the right place - apart from being rabidly anti SNP and therefor anti Scottish independance - but he is a bit of a dick. I had to stop listening after about 5 minutes. |
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Post by zou on Feb 22, 2024 16:05:21 GMT
I've just caught up on this news. It's an absolute disgrace, the implication in his response today being that anti-genocide protesters are likely to commit serious offences against MPs on the basis of those MPs supporting genocide, when to date I'm not aware of a single act of violence from such protestors being recorded.
Most of the actual threats made against MPs are racist/misogynist/both and come from gammony men who believe in taking back control. Did the speaker ever show any concern for MPs receiving such threats?
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Post by steveandthedogs on Feb 22, 2024 17:53:44 GMT
I've just caught up on this news. It's an absolute disgrace, the implication in his response today being that anti-genocide protesters are likely to commit serious offences against MPs on the basis of those MPs supporting genocide, when to date I'm not aware of a single act of violence from such protestors being recorded. Most of the actual threats made against MPs are racist/misogynist/both and come from gammony men who believe in taking back control. Did the speaker ever show any concern for MPs receiving such threats? Where does he imply anything? He reports that Starmer approached Hoyle saying that some Labour MP's had received threats. He makes no implication of any sort, only reports what someone else has said.
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Post by willien on Feb 22, 2024 18:09:39 GMT
IMO - Every faction in the world has on-line trolls amongst them these days.
Well possibly not the Jains.
I do not think the Jains are big on online activity though I could be wrong.
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Post by MJB on Feb 22, 2024 18:25:48 GMT
Here's my take on the fallout from last night. SNP's biggest rival at the upcoming election is Labour, so tries to use this to damage Labour. Ditto for the Conservatives. Biggest loser was the Gazan civilian population whilst our pathetic politicians of all colours try to make political gain from the blindingly obvious need for a permanent ceasefire in Gaza.
P.S. did anyone see that tory MP (I didn't catch his name) at lunchtime who stood up in the house of commons and proclaimed he felt safer in Israel than the UK. Why does he still support bombing the crap out of Palestinians then?
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Post by willien on Feb 22, 2024 18:45:51 GMT
Here's my take on the fallout from last night. SNP's biggest rival at the upcoming election is Labour, so tries to use this to damage Labour. Ditto for the Conservatives. Biggest loser was the Gazan civilian population whilst our pathetic politicians of all colours try to make political gain from the blindingly obvious need for a permanent ceasefire in Gaza. P.S. did anyone see that tory MP (I didn't catch his name) at lunchtime who stood up in the house of commons and proclaimed he felt safer in Israel than the UK. Why does he still support bombing the crap out of Palestinians then? "Jewish MP Andrew Percy" |
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Post by zou on Feb 22, 2024 18:47:39 GMT
I've just caught up on this news. It's an absolute disgrace, the implication in his response today being that anti-genocide protesters are likely to commit serious offences against MPs on the basis of those MPs supporting genocide, when to date I'm not aware of a single act of violence from such protestors being recorded. Most of the actual threats made against MPs are racist/misogynist/both and come from gammony men who believe in taking back control. Did the speaker ever show any concern for MPs receiving such threats? Where does he imply anything? He reports that Starmer approached Hoyle saying that some Labour MP's had received threats. He makes no implication of any sort, only reports what someone else has said.
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He literally linked those *unevidenced* 3rd hand reports with terrorism. Despite what Tories will rewrite law to say, telling your 'representatives' that they are accountable for their words, actions, and votes, and will lose support for them, is still not terrorism. Saying "free Palestine" is not terrorism. Saying "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" is not terrorism. None of these things are violent, unlike the actions that these MPs refuse to condemn, actively support, and which the ICJ says is plausible genocide. |
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Post by zou on Feb 22, 2024 18:52:12 GMT
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Post by willien on Feb 22, 2024 19:26:24 GMT
You are obviously tense my friend. I think what you need is a nice relaxing holiday. W
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Post by zou on Feb 22, 2024 19:29:12 GMT
You are obviously tense my friend. I think what you need is a nice relaxing holiday. W
What do you reckon, couple of weeks, somewhere exotic? |
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Post by willien on Feb 22, 2024 19:41:10 GMT
You are obviously tense my friend. I think what you need is a nice relaxing holiday. W
What do you reckon, couple of weeks, somewhere exotic? Sunny Dunny springs to mind. |
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