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Post by willien on Mar 7, 2024 20:41:48 GMT
The opposite....the view out the window is always right. The screen, once moving, is superfluous and for some weird reason light moving around draws my eye so it only serves to distract. I wouldn't try to read a map while driving either. Besides, it's not like there's that many roads up here. You can get most places with 3 road numbers on a post-it note  . The general idea is you use sat nav when you do not know where you are going so eyes flitting from road ahead to map while listening to the voice instruction is your best chance of getting where you want to go. Overly enjoying the scenery while driving is not clever. Nor is paper map reading while driving - it is just being a dick.
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Post by zou on Mar 7, 2024 21:44:38 GMT
I used satnav in NI because I didn't know the roads at all. Over here I don't use it, I prefer to check in advance and memorise landmarks/junctions etc., which works fine for me. As an example I've driven from Edinburgh to a remote cottage in Skye without looking at maps once, as Andy says, just a few road numbers and 'left just after the bridge' and it's fine.
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Post by willien on Mar 7, 2024 21:54:03 GMT
I used satnav in NI because I didn't know the roads at all. Over here I don't use it, I prefer to check in advance and memorise landmarks/junctions etc., which works fine for me. As an example I've driven from Edinburgh to a remote cottage in Skye without looking at maps once, as Andy says, just a few road numbers and 'left just after the bridge' and it's fine. I have driven Ed. to north west Skye multiple times (familly). Last time we went up I set the sat nav. Helps break up the journey for me knowing the distance to the next (few and far between) turn offs. Going down to the caravan (when we had it) I did not bother - about 30 miles to Biggar, 12 to Abington, 18 from otherside of (via the B road) to Beatock roundabout etc. etc etc. Knew the various milages so no need for satnav on a route I knew. When the non M74 road from Beatock South was closed for refurb, Sat nav came in very handy. As did Lochmaben - as a toilet stop - which frankly about the best thing you can say about...
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Post by andy on Mar 7, 2024 22:03:02 GMT
I used satnav in NI because I didn't know the roads at all. Over here I don't use it, I prefer to check in advance and memorise landmarks/junctions etc., which works fine for me. As an example I've driven from Edinburgh to a remote cottage in Skye without looking at maps once, as Andy says, just a few road numbers and 'left just after the bridge' and it's fine. Think I was a passenger on the way to Skye at least 4 times before I drove there and one of the directions is left after an autie's hoose. Glen Affric is left after Balnain bike park, Sandyhills is the left for the Dalbeattie bike trails and Bettyhill was up the middle of Scotland until you run out of road....nice and easy  |
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Post by geoffr on Mar 7, 2024 22:07:50 GMT
When I had the Jag the heated seat levels were touch screen only, you couls select on or off by a button though. Thoroughly inconvenient, and dangerous. Where navigation systems are concerned, a touch screen keyboard is essential, but needs to be deactivated while moving. What's wrong with getting your route from your phone app and sending it to the car? You are assuming a car with that capability and/or said capability being available (I need a code which I currently donât have). However, assuming that capability a valid suggestion. As to Sat Nav, sorry but voice firmly off and 2D Track Up for me, I donât look at the map while manoeuvring so the fact that it pirouettes is irrelevant. I always have the map displayed, by default, with auto zoom. What is important is to remember that any navigation system is only an aid, it doesn't replace having a good idea of the route before setting off and being able to read road signs. |
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Post by willien on Mar 7, 2024 22:11:37 GMT
I used satnav in NI because I didn't know the roads at all. Over here I don't use it, I prefer to check in advance and memorise landmarks/junctions etc., which works fine for me. As an example I've driven from Edinburgh to a remote cottage in Skye without looking at maps once, as Andy says, just a few road numbers and 'left just after the bridge' and it's fine. Think I was a passenger on the way to Skye at least 4 times before I drove there and one of the directions is left after an autie's hoose. Glen Affric is left after Balnain bike park, Sandyhills is the left for the Dalbeattie bike trails and Bettyhill was up the middle of Scotland until you run out of road....nice and easy So. You have never gone to complete a Mandolin deal in a Gateshead pub car park. Rural nav is one thing, unfamiliar cities are quite different and even if you have a freak memory is the map you memorised up to date? If you have contempt for satnav fine but try driving without it in strange cities and then tell me its unnecessary. And, in a strange city if you miss a turn cause yer memorised route wisnae as clear as you thought it was, or there are new road restrictions or roadworks...
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Post by geoffr on Mar 7, 2024 22:22:34 GMT
Think I was a passenger on the way to Skye at least 4 times before I drove there and one of the directions is left after an autie's hoose. Glen Affric is left after Balnain bike park, Sandyhills is the left for the Dalbeattie bike trails and Bettyhill was up the middle of Scotland until you run out of road....nice and easy So. You have never gone to complete a Mandolin deal in a Gateshead pub car park. Rural nav is one thing, unfamiliar cities are quite different and even if you have a freak memory is the map you memorised up to date? If you have contempt for satnav fine but try driving without it in strange cities and then tell me its unnecessary. And, in a strange city if you miss a turn cause yer memorised route wisnae as clear as you thought it was, or there are new road restrictions or roadworks...
Try driving a car with 2010 mapping and no realistic prospect of an update! |
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Post by andy on Mar 7, 2024 22:41:22 GMT
Think I was a passenger on the way to Skye at least 4 times before I drove there and one of the directions is left after an autie's hoose. Glen Affric is left after Balnain bike park, Sandyhills is the left for the Dalbeattie bike trails and Bettyhill was up the middle of Scotland until you run out of road....nice and easy So. You have never gone to complete a Mandolin deal in a Gateshead pub car park. Rural nav is one thing, unfamiliar cities are quite different and even if you have a freak memory is the map you memorised up to date? If you have contempt for satnav fine but try driving without it in strange cities and then tell me its unnecessary. And, in a strange city if you miss a turn cause yer memorised route wisnae as clear as you thought it was, or there are new road restrictions or roadworks...
I don't have contempt for it, I just don't have need for it anywhere near often enough to want it as a permanent fixture in the car. When I needed to find a hotel and then sports centre in Sunderland I had a passenger with google maps on their phone, otherwise I'd just have had my phone wedged in the front pocket of the passenger seat so I could hear the instructions. It has it's uses but only very occasionally for me. |
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Post by willien on Mar 7, 2024 22:46:12 GMT
So. You have never gone to complete a Mandolin deal in a Gateshead pub car park. Rural nav is one thing, unfamiliar cities are quite different and even if you have a freak memory is the map you memorised up to date? If you have contempt for satnav fine but try driving without it in strange cities and then tell me its unnecessary. And, in a strange city if you miss a turn cause yer memorised route wisnae as clear as you thought it was, or there are new road restrictions or roadworks...
Try driving a car with 2010 mapping and no realistic prospect of an update! Assuming I was driving in a strange city, why would I be so moronic? |
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Post by willien on Mar 7, 2024 22:51:00 GMT
So. You have never gone to complete a Mandolin deal in a Gateshead pub car park. Rural nav is one thing, unfamiliar cities are quite different and even if you have a freak memory is the map you memorised up to date? If you have contempt for satnav fine but try driving without it in strange cities and then tell me its unnecessary. And, in a strange city if you miss a turn cause yer memorised route wisnae as clear as you thought it was, or there are new road restrictions or roadworks...
I don't have contempt for it, I just don't have need for it anywhere near often enough to want it as a permanent fixture in the car. When I needed to find a hotel and then sports centre in Sunderland I had a passenger with google maps on their phone, otherwise I'd just have had my phone wedged in the front pocket of the passenger seat so I could hear the instructions. It has it's uses but only very occasionally for me. Being a "permanent fixture in the car" is not a problem. YOU HAVE TO SWITCH IT ON. Otherwise it is "not there".
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Post by andy on Mar 7, 2024 23:06:49 GMT
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Post by geoffr on Mar 8, 2024 8:07:44 GMT
Try driving a car with 2010 mapping and no realistic prospect of an update! Assuming I was driving in a strange city, why would I be so moronic? Possibly because replacing the car wasnât a priority and the manufacturer had ceased trading in 2012. Additionally, city streets donât actually change very much in the short term. Roads outside cities are another matter. The solution of course was a stand alone sat nav device with up to date maps. Failing of most built-in navigation systems is that updated mapping is seen as a ready source of profit for the car manufacturers. |
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Post by mick on Mar 8, 2024 11:07:21 GMT
To randomly answer a few posts.
I usually set Satnav even for journeys I know. I do it for the traffic alerts - but I make my own judgement about how to deal with any alert that shows.
If I have my car screen on it usually shows Satnav even if it's not set. I can and do turn the screen off unless I want to use it.
I find Satnav more or less essential in a strange city. I can't remember complex city routes, even if I can remember the basic route I can't hold enough data to cope with diversions and, finally, if I asked SWMBO to navigate there would be a divorce!
It's an aid and nothing is making you obey it!. If I'm in an area I know I often take, what is for me, a better route. Often the ETA doesn't change or, if it does, by a minute or so.
Mick
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Post by geoffr on Mar 8, 2024 11:35:15 GMT
It is my considered opinion that modern cars have too many distractions and not enough useful facilities.
A couple of examples:
Some cars can display text messages on the head up display. Why?
Warnings and cautions (red and amber respectively) can be triggered by many "faults" but they cant always be removed from view when they are known, or suspected, to be spurious. Sometimes the warning obstructs/obscures other essential information.
I had one car where the traffic warning tone was exactly the same as the tone for vehicle faults.
In aviation we have had a massive excess of data for many years but it has always been possible for the pilot to remove warnings and cautions from the display to reduce distraction. The automotive industry has yet to realise that the driver's primary responsibility is to drive the car safely. When a warning appears it isn't always safe or convenient to immediately pull over and stop.
Navigation comes below driving safely on the priority list but the navigation display tends to be bigger than the speedometer and more prominent.
If I connect my phone to the car's hands free system it is for my benefit, I don't want to be distracted by incoming calls or messages and I certainly don't want to send text or email messages.
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Post by Chester PB on Mar 9, 2024 15:31:40 GMT
When I had the Jag the heated seat levels were touch screen only, you couls select on or off by a button though. Thoroughly inconvenient, and dangerous. Where navigation systems are concerned, a touch screen keyboard is essential, but needs to be deactivated while moving. What's wrong with getting your route from your phone app and sending it to the car? The need to buy a smartphone? |
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