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Post by spinno on Mar 6, 2024 22:28:44 GMT
So you commit to rent a car for a fixed 3 year period for £21,564 - payable monthly. There's just the slight matter of the deposit, sir.  You may be lucky and your current car will cover the deposit...or maybe not |
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Post by andy on Mar 6, 2024 22:37:04 GMT
There's just the slight matter of the deposit, sir. You may be lucky and your current car will cover the deposit...or maybe not My car might cover the taxi fare to the dealer. |
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Post by willien on Mar 6, 2024 22:42:36 GMT
So you commit to rent a car for a fixed 3 year period for £21,564 - payable monthly. There's just the slight matter of the deposit, sir. Returnable or pre-payment of an hie fee which is in addition to the above? |
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Post by andy on Mar 6, 2024 22:50:55 GMT
There's just the slight matter of the deposit, sir. Returnable or pre-payment of an hie fee which is in addition to the above? It's like a big first payment and there's a big balloon at the end if you want to keep it. I guess they make their money on the finance if you don't buy it at the end as they'll be about £10k up on a 3 year old car. |
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Post by geoffr on Mar 7, 2024 9:18:03 GMT
Returnable or pre-payment of an hie fee which is in addition to the above? It's like a big first payment and there's a big balloon at the end if you want to keep it. I guess they make their money on the finance if you don't buy it at the end as they'll be about £10k up on a 3 year old car. I dislike obtaining cars by this finance method, there are too many unknowns involved, for example an annual mileage limit which might be unrealistic for someone who can only accommodate one car. Then there are the charges for "damage" which could be a simple. easily removed, mark on the paintwork or a minor chip in the windscreen. The charge for these will probably exceed the actual cost of repairs. |
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Post by andytake2 on Mar 7, 2024 10:02:22 GMT
There are cheaper (and better) ways to make heating controls than a touchscreen, for example, but if folk buying new cars want touchscreens then that's what they'll get. Think it's something like 90% of new cars sold are on finance so it's easier to make a few extra quid a month affordable. They are good at upselling. Was not aware of either heating controls or touch screens being mentioned. I dislike touch screen controls whether in cars or on cameras. Some car makers are ditching touchscreen controls, I read recently (no link) that maker such as Volvo have realised that physical controls are far easier and safer. If it isn't common sense, then new rules which will force the issue, at least in part come into effect in a couple of years. If car makers want a 5 star NCAP rating, then basic controls should all be physical
I think touchscreen controls for anything other than sat-nav are utterly stupid. I have one on my Yaris, and loathe using it - happily a lot of the controls are doubled in physical form, but the drive to put so many buttons in such a small space is equally infuriating.
Manufacturers seem to forget that we have two eyes and 10 fingers/thumbs - eyes are needed for driving. Fingers have thousands of touch receptors, they can sense differences in surfaces, different temperatures etc but not (so far as I am aware) any bloody optical sensors! What is the point of tying up two sensory systems (and making one actually redundant) when one will do?
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Post by spinno on Mar 7, 2024 10:03:59 GMT
Was not aware of either heating controls or touch screens being mentioned. I dislike touch screen controls whether in cars or on cameras. Some car makers are ditching touchscreen controls, I read recently (no link) that maker such as Volvo have realised that physical controls are far easier and safer. If it isn't common sense, then new rules which will force the issue, at least in part come into effect in a couple of years. If car makers want a 5 star NCAP rating, then basic controls should all be physical At last we're fighting back against the robots... |
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Post by andy on Mar 7, 2024 10:07:38 GMT
It's like a big first payment and there's a big balloon at the end if you want to keep it. I guess they make their money on the finance if you don't buy it at the end as they'll be about £10k up on a 3 year old car. I dislike obtaining cars by this finance method, there are too many unknowns involved, for example an annual mileage limit which might be unrealistic for someone who can only accommodate one car. Then there are the charges for "damage" which could be a simple. easily removed, mark on the paintwork or a minor chip in the windscreen. The charge for these will probably exceed the actual cost of repairs. I'm not keen on it either, particularly on an estate car that I'll be putting dogs and bikes in. For those that can afford to buy them outright and want to keep it nice anyway it makes sense to keep earning interest on the bulk of the money while making the repayments at 0%. |
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Post by andy on Mar 7, 2024 17:50:27 GMT
Was not aware of either heating controls or touch screens being mentioned. I dislike touch screen controls whether in cars or on cameras. Some car makers are ditching touchscreen controls, I read recently (no link) that maker such as Volvo have realised that physical controls are far easier and safer. If it isn't common sense, then new rules which will force the issue, at least in part come into effect in a couple of years. If car makers want a 5 star NCAP rating, then basic controls should all be physical
I think touchscreen controls for anything other than sat-nav are utterly stupid. I have one on my Yaris, and loathe using it - happily a lot of the controls are doubled in physical form, but the drive to put so many buttons in such a small space is equally infuriating.
Manufacturers seem to forget that we have two eyes and 10 fingers/thumbs - eyes are needed for driving. Fingers have thousands of touch receptors, they can sense differences in surfaces, different temperatures etc but not (so far as I am aware) any bloody optical sensors! What is the point of tying up two sensory systems (and making one actually redundant) when one will do?
Just been reading about this. Will be interesting to see if it makes much difference. How many new car buyers only buy 5 star cars? Pretty sure it's not Dacia buyers....or MG or plenty others that are common sights on the road. I have my doubts that the safety rating of 5 star cars like the Mercedes EQS or Audi Qwhatevers is as important as the technology inside or the fashion statement on the outside. I guess we'll see. Will Tesla owners care? |
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Post by zx9 on Mar 7, 2024 17:53:34 GMT
It's like a big first payment and there's a big balloon at the end if you want to keep it. I guess they make their money on the finance if you don't buy it at the end as they'll be about £10k up on a 3 year old car. I dislike obtaining cars by this finance method, there are too many unknowns involved, for example an annual mileage limit which might be unrealistic for someone who can only accommodate one car. Then there are the charges for "damage" which could be a simple. easily removed, mark on the paintwork or a minor chip in the windscreen. The charge for these will probably exceed the actual cost of repairs. It is no different to running a company car on lease. Back in they day when I had a company car the windscreens were covered on the insurance and at the end of the three years you would get any minor damage fixed, significant damage would have been an insurance claim fixed at the time it occurred, over the mileage limit would incur a hefty cost to the company. Between 2001 and 2004 I did over 120,000 miles in an Audi A4, I think it had a windscreen replacement every year no doubt because of all the motorway and A road driving. |
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Post by geoffr on Mar 7, 2024 19:23:12 GMT
Some car makers are ditching touchscreen controls, I read recently (no link) that maker such as Volvo have realised that physical controls are far easier and safer. If it isn't common sense, then new rules which will force the issue, at least in part come into effect in a couple of years. If car makers want a 5 star NCAP rating, then basic controls should all be physical
I think touchscreen controls for anything other than sat-nav are utterly stupid. I have one on my Yaris, and loathe using it - happily a lot of the controls are doubled in physical form, but the drive to put so many buttons in such a small space is equally infuriating.
Manufacturers seem to forget that we have two eyes and 10 fingers/thumbs - eyes are needed for driving. Fingers have thousands of touch receptors, they can sense differences in surfaces, different temperatures etc but not (so far as I am aware) any bloody optical sensors! What is the point of tying up two sensory systems (and making one actually redundant) when one will do?
Just been reading about this. Will be interesting to see if it makes much difference. How many new car buyers only buy 5 star cars? Pretty sure it's not Dacia buyers....or MG or plenty others that are common sights on the road. I have my doubts that the safety rating of 5 star cars like the Mercedes EQS or Audi Qwhatevers is as important as the technology inside or the fashion statement on the outside. I guess we'll see. Will Tesla owners care? When I had the Jag the heated seat levels were touch screen only, you couls select on or off by a button though. Thoroughly inconvenient, and dangerous. Where navigation systems are concerned, a touch screen keyboard is essential, but needs to be deactivated while moving. |
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Post by andy on Mar 7, 2024 19:39:20 GMT
Just been reading about this. Will be interesting to see if it makes much difference. How many new car buyers only buy 5 star cars? Pretty sure it's not Dacia buyers....or MG or plenty others that are common sights on the road. I have my doubts that the safety rating of 5 star cars like the Mercedes EQS or Audi Qwhatevers is as important as the technology inside or the fashion statement on the outside. I guess we'll see. Will Tesla owners care? When I had the Jag the heated seat levels were touch screen only, you couls select on or off by a button though. Thoroughly inconvenient, and dangerous. Where navigation systems are concerned, a touch screen keyboard is essential, but needs to be deactivated while moving. I'm not a fan of sat-nav screens either but possibly only because I rarely use it. The Subaru had a sat-nav screen that displayed a message about not using the touchscreen while driving every time it was started which was annoying as you had to press OK to make it go away then the map moving around the direction arrow was an unnecessary distraction. On the occasions I've used my phone for sat-nav the screen is facing away from me and I just use the audio to direct me. |
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Post by spinno on Mar 7, 2024 19:46:04 GMT
When I had the Jag the heated seat levels were touch screen only, you couls select on or off by a button though. Thoroughly inconvenient, and dangerous. Where navigation systems are concerned, a touch screen keyboard is essential, but needs to be deactivated while moving. I'm not a fan of sat-nav screens either but possibly only because I rarely use it. The Subaru had a sat-nav screen that displayed a message about not using the touchscreen while driving every time it was started which was annoying as you had to press OK to make it go away then the map moving around the direction arrow was an unnecessary distraction. On the occasions I've used my phone for sat-nav the screen is facing away from me and I just use the audio to direct me. In robots we trust? |
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Post by willien on Mar 7, 2024 19:56:48 GMT
Just been reading about this. Will be interesting to see if it makes much difference. How many new car buyers only buy 5 star cars? Pretty sure it's not Dacia buyers....or MG or plenty others that are common sights on the road. I have my doubts that the safety rating of 5 star cars like the Mercedes EQS or Audi Qwhatevers is as important as the technology inside or the fashion statement on the outside. I guess we'll see. Will Tesla owners care? When I had the Jag the heated seat levels were touch screen only, you couls select on or off by a button though. Thoroughly inconvenient, and dangerous. Where navigation systems are concerned, a touch screen keyboard is essential, but needs to be deactivated while moving. What's wrong with getting your route from your phone app and sending it to the car? |
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Post by andy on Mar 7, 2024 20:32:27 GMT
I'm not a fan of sat-nav screens either but possibly only because I rarely use it. The Subaru had a sat-nav screen that displayed a message about not using the touchscreen while driving every time it was started which was annoying as you had to press OK to make it go away then the map moving around the direction arrow was an unnecessary distraction. On the occasions I've used my phone for sat-nav the screen is facing away from me and I just use the audio to direct me. In robots we trust? The opposite....the view out the window is always right. The screen, once moving, is superfluous and for some weird reason light moving around draws my eye so it only serves to distract. I wouldn't try to read a map while driving either. Besides, it's not like there's that many roads up here. You can get most places with 3 road numbers on a post-it note . |
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