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Post by peterob on Dec 16, 2023 8:18:11 GMT
I don't really know if this is worth posting but it made a fool of me for ages yesterday and may save someone else some time. I still, even after more than a year, find my Fuji X-H2S counter-intuitive compared to Canon DSLRs. I bought it as a stop gap until Canon bring out their R5 replacement and I expect a Canon R is as different again. Anyway - a "gotcha". The big benefit to me of mirrorless is preview of exposure in the viewfinder. It makes application of exposure compensation a doddle. Two weeks ago I was doing passport photos using flash. Exposure preview was a pain because it goes on the ambient light and ambient light was several stops lower than the flash light. The viewfinder went black when focussing. So a faint bell went ping and I looked in the manual and found how to turn exposure preview off. It turns out this is a global setting. All the flash exposure settings, plus save settings for small jpg etc were made using a custom settings bank. Yesterday the camera was on normal settings and everything was hunky dory until I needed exposure compensation. Then of course, when focussing, nothing in the viewfinder changed. I was dialling huge amounts of compensation and, as far as the viewfinder was concerned, nothing doing. I really thought it was broken. No harm done because I wasn't using base ISO and (other than passport photos) I only save raw files which can be fixed for inappropriate exposure. But it was a "gotcha" that I didn't see coming.
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Post by Chester PB on Dec 18, 2023 22:01:49 GMT
So next time you use the camera you may miss the shot because you forgot to turn on the viewfinder exposure preview?
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Post by peterob on Dec 18, 2023 22:17:09 GMT
So next time you use the camera you may miss the shot because you forgot to turn on the viewfinder exposure preview? Not at all. Just annoying thinking something is broken when it ain't. The classic old one, before AF ON buttons were invented, was mapping back button focus to some button, disabling focus on the shutter release and forgetting about all about it. Anyway it seems that there is a "better" way to deal with this on Fuji. Exposure preview can be disabled whenever the camera is set to a manual exposure mode, as when using flash. This overrides the other setting so the preview exposure can be left set on for use in automatic modes. |
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Post by Ivor E Tower on Dec 20, 2023 18:25:37 GMT
Biggest "gotcha" I can recall is many years ago putting my SLR to my eye to take a photo, and the view through the viewfinder was totally black.
I was sure I had taken the lens cap off.... I had. I was wearing polarising sunglasses and the polarising filter on the lens just happened to perfectly line up with my sungasses to blott out all the light. At least I realised what the issue was, immediately !
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Post by skyehammer on Jan 20, 2024 7:22:25 GMT
Morning , Everyone
A question about Mirrorless Cameras and please forgive my ignorance on the matter and try not to laugh .
Last Saturday we were up in the North of Skye visiting some friends and noticing the lovely view out of their windows I remarked ' I wish I'd brought my camera '....' Never mind , use mine ' said our mate as she handed me her Sony Alpha 7 iii [ or whatever they're called ] .
Anyway after she'd fitted a Tamron 70-300mm onto it I took it outside in the dusk for a play .
First thing I noticed was - I couldn't see anything through the viewfinder .
Second thing I noticed was - it wouldn't autofocus by pressing the shutter half way down .
Third thing I noticed was - the live view is permanently on .
Fourth thing I noticed was her ISO was on 6400 [ apparently she only bought it to take pictures of the Aurora ] .
I changed the setting from Manual to Aperture priority then Shutter priority but still nothing through the viewfinder .
Think I'll stick with my old Nikon D7200 .
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Post by spinno on Jan 20, 2024 7:59:10 GMT
Morning , Everyone A question about Mirrorless Cameras and please forgive my ignorance on the matter and try not to laugh . Last Saturday we were up in the North of Skye visiting some friends and noticing the lovely view out of their windows I remarked ' I wish I'd brought my camera '....' Never mind , use mine ' said our mate as she handed me her Sony Alpha 7 iii [ or whatever they're called ] . Anyway after she'd fitted a Tamron 70-300mm onto it I took it outside in the dusk for a play . First thing I noticed was - I couldn't see anything through the viewfinder . Second thing I noticed was - it wouldn't autofocus by pressing the shutter half way down . Third thing I noticed was - the live view is permanently on . Fourth thing I noticed was her ISO was on 6400 [ apparently she only bought it to take pictures of the Aurora ] . I changed the setting from Manual to Aperture priority then Shutter priority but still nothing through the viewfinder . Think I'll stick with my old Nikon D7200 . Lots of options there, I always give myself the choice, either viewfinder or livescreen, also exposure preview. Perhaps your friend had left it as viewfinder only, or perhaps as exposure preview. I'm sure if you got a Mirrorless you'd learn to use it in a little time, rather than no time like a dslr... |
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Post by peterob on Jan 20, 2024 8:42:29 GMT
Morning , Everyone A question about Mirrorless Cameras and please forgive my ignorance on the matter and try not to laugh . Last Saturday we were up in the North of Skye visiting some friends and noticing the lovely view out of their windows I remarked ' I wish I'd brought my camera '....' Never mind , use mine ' said our mate as she handed me her Sony Alpha 7 iii [ or whatever they're called ] . Anyway after she'd fitted a Tamron 70-300mm onto it I took it outside in the dusk for a play . First thing I noticed was - I couldn't see anything through the viewfinder . Second thing I noticed was - it wouldn't autofocus by pressing the shutter half way down . Third thing I noticed was - the live view is permanently on . Fourth thing I noticed was her ISO was on 6400 [ apparently she only bought it to take pictures of the Aurora ] . I changed the setting from Manual to Aperture priority then Shutter priority but still nothing through the viewfinder . Think I'll stick with my old Nikon D7200 . So called mirrorless cameras don't have a conventional prism viewfinder. They have instead an electronic viewfinder which can be turned off or on. It is power hungry, so even when "on" they are often activated only when the camera is raised to the eye. A sensor detects whether the rear of the viewfinder is shaded or not. It sounds as if this Sony is set to have the electronic viewfinder turned off. The rear LCD then shows what the sensor displays - permanent live-view as you say. Fuji have a couple of range-finder style cameras which have a hybrid optical/electronic viewfinder. The optical isn't TTL but the electronic is. The main advantage now of an electronic viewfinder is preview of exposure so that exposure compensation can be applied. AF on mirrorless can be turned on or off. There are generally similar options to AF on DSLRs. In the last few years the viewfinder (electronic) and AF capabilities have become very good. |
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Post by zou on Jan 20, 2024 9:41:51 GMT
All of those 'issues' seem to relate to how the owner set up their camera, not the camera itself.
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Post by petrochemist on Jan 20, 2024 9:48:12 GMT
All of those 'issues' seem to relate to how the owner set up their camera, not the camera itself. Agreed and the settings were pretty appropriate for the Aurora photography the owner got it for. |
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Post by peterba on Jan 20, 2024 10:36:17 GMT
First thing I noticed was - I couldn't see anything through the viewfinder . Second thing I noticed was - it wouldn't autofocus by pressing the shutter half way down . Third thing I noticed was - the live view is permanently on . Fourth thing I noticed was her ISO was on 6400 [ apparently she only bought it to take pictures of the Aurora ] . I changed the setting from Manual to Aperture priority then Shutter priority but still nothing through the viewfinder .
1. The A7 has a menu setting entitled "FINDER/MONITOR" in which the following settings are available: Auto/Viewfinder(Manual)/Monitor(Manual). It would appear that the camera was set to Monitor(Manual).
2. It sounds as thought the camera was set to Back Button Focus. Most (current) cameras can be set to this.
3. Live View ON/OFF can be set in the menu system.
4. See petrochemist's reply above.
Also, the viewfinder operation would be unaffected by changing from Manual to Aperture Priority or Shutter priority.
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Post by skyehammer on Jan 21, 2024 9:19:41 GMT
Thanks Guys -
I thought it must have had something to do with its menu system .
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Post by spinno on Jan 21, 2024 9:22:07 GMT
Thanks Guys - I thought it must have had something to do with its menu system . Image quality may have improved, but the complications to get there have increased accordingly. No wonder people use phones for photos. |
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Post by steveandthedogs on Jan 21, 2024 9:37:40 GMT
The advantage of Fuji.
Aperture? On the lens
Shutter speed? knob on top plate.
ISO? Dial on top plate. Ok, on a button you have to press to access on double digit series.
No need to mess about with menus or the bloody silly PASM rubbish.
Oh and you want programme mode? little lever on the top plate. One push and that's it, push it again to go back.
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Post by peterob on Jan 21, 2024 12:05:03 GMT
The advantage of Fuji. Aperture? On the lens Shutter speed? knob on top plate. ISO? Dial on top plate. Ok, on a button you have to press to access on double digit series. No need to mess about with menus or the bloody silly PASM rubbish. Oh and you want programme mode? little lever on the top plate. One push and that's it, push it again to go back. S Depends on the model. The X-H2s is PASM and probably the X-H2 as well. Not come across the programme mode lever is that on an X-Pro ? |
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Post by steveandthedogs on Jan 21, 2024 12:29:36 GMT
I don't count those as proper Fujis. Sniff.
The prog lever is certainly on the Xt10 & 30. For the XT2, if already on AP, just turn the lens to A and bingo!
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