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Post by JohnY on Oct 20, 2023 11:10:12 GMT
Morale in an organisation with over 20% annual churn of staff must be dismal. The average level of job knowledge cannot be good; it cannot build up with experience. Managers with no knowledge of the job being done never command respect even if they have management skills. How has the situation become so bad? Tory management? Are you joking? The Tories do not manage the Civil Service and after the next election when Labour forms a government they will not manage the Civil Service either. |
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Post by willien on Oct 20, 2023 11:26:40 GMT
Are you joking? The Tories do not manage the Civil Service and after the next election when Labour forms a government they will not manage the Civil Service either. Setting policy, setting targets, sacking seniors whoses "faces do not fit"... You appear to be confusing "Management" with "Micro Management".
Edit - And budgets
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Post by zou on Oct 20, 2023 11:40:30 GMT
Are you joking? The Tories do not manage the Civil Service and after the next election when Labour forms a government they will not manage the Civil Service either. Willie got there first. |
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Post by spinno on Oct 20, 2023 11:43:52 GMT
Micro Management is the problem, top down as well. It is aggravating when you've done a job for twenty years and someone decides that you need to change and improve, and then someone else tells you that you need to change again, and someone else comes along and tells you...you get the idea, and probably the person(s) telling you to change and improve have never done the job...and don't forget consultants
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Post by zou on Oct 20, 2023 12:47:27 GMT
...and don't forget consultants Drat, you just reminded me of them. |
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Post by spinno on Oct 20, 2023 16:21:46 GMT
...and don't forget consultants Drat, you just reminded me of them. Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water... |
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Post by peterba on Oct 20, 2023 18:00:21 GMT
...and don't forget consultants Drat, you just reminded me of them.
IME, managements call in consultants because they have no idea how to do their own jobs (otherwise, why call in consultants?). This, despite drawing generous salaries.
Once involved, the consultants have to justify their fee by recommending cost-saving measures. These measures usually involve either sacking (or at the very least, reducing the salaries) of people who actually DO know how to do their own jobs.
How did we get here?
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Post by zou on Oct 20, 2023 18:16:05 GMT
Drat, you just reminded me of them.
IME, managements call in consultants because they have no idea what how to do their own jobs (otherwise, why call in consultants?). This, despite drawing generous salaries.
Once involved, the consultants have to justify their fee by recommending cost-saving measures. These measures usually involve either sacking (or at the very least, reducing the salaries) of people who actually DO know how to do their own jobs.
How did we get here?
How? Obviously someone wasn't sure what to do so brought in some consultants. Duh! |
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Post by peterba on Oct 20, 2023 19:01:51 GMT
How? Obviously someone wasn't sure what to do so brought in some consultants. Duh!
Good point. And very recursive.  |
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Post by willien on Oct 20, 2023 19:08:20 GMT
Sometimes they bring them just to finesse and justify what they intended to do anyway.
I negotiated a framework agreement with Mckinsey and later read them described as the firm that "no matter what question you ask the answer is always cut heads". I also negotiated one with Boston Consulting to which the same could probably be applied.
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Post by peterba on Oct 20, 2023 19:10:12 GMT
Sometimes they bring them just to finesse and justify what they intended to do anyway.
True enough, Willie. I reckon that side-stepping any blame is in the mix, too.  |
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