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Post by zou on Dec 22, 2022 18:28:50 GMT
Thanks, but the data sheet is online, that's what I was checking. My confusion comes from statements saying the box is 1l (but it's powder), so assume that means the powder makes up 1l of stock solution? So straight that means only 1l of liquid, so about 3 films? But then they say you can get up to 10 films developed from a pack, and elsewhere that you can use the developer multiple times with extended developing time. It's all a bit much for my head at the moment... It's about 9 years since I last developed a film so I am leaning toward simplicity and DD-X, and can maybe play with Microphen once I have become refamiliarised with the process.
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Post by geoffr on Dec 22, 2022 18:49:42 GMT
Thanks, but the data sheet is online, that's what I was checking. My confusion comes from statements saying the box is 1l (but it's powder), so assume that means the powder makes up 1l of stock solution? So straight that means only 1l of liquid, so about 3 films? But then they say you can get up to 10 films developed from a pack, and elsewhere that you can use the developer multiple times with extended developing time. It's all a bit much for my head at the moment... It's about 9 years since I last developed a film so I am leaning toward simplicity and DD-X, and can maybe play with Microphen once I have become refamiliarised with the process. Yes, the box contains chemicals to produce 1 Litre of developer, 5 and 10 litre packs were available when my copy of the instructions was printed.
The booklet says 600ml of Microphen will develop 6 x 36 exposure rolls of 35mm film or 12 x 20 exposure rolls. To compensate for loss of developer activity increase the development time by 10% for each successive film after the first. Paragraph 3.2 describes development using dilute developer as a one-shot developer.
I should add that the two documents don't appear agree on the capacity of the developer, 30 years and I didn't notice earlier. The booklet however quotes the capacity for 600ml and the instructions for 1litre.
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Post by steveandthedogs on Dec 22, 2022 21:46:58 GMT
One of those wine-keeper vacuum pumps helps to keep liquid things like Ilfosol3 fresh for much longer than the stated time.
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Post by John Farrell on Dec 22, 2022 22:17:22 GMT
One of those wine-keeper vacuum pumps helps to keep liquid things like Ilfosol3 fresh for much longer than the stated time. S I have a concertina bottle, which attempted to control the amount of air. Another trick was to put glass marbles in the bottle. |
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Post by steveandthedogs on Dec 23, 2022 1:10:40 GMT
That's why I started using the pump - those bottles are rubbish.
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Post by geoffr on Dec 23, 2022 21:00:41 GMT
That's why I started using the pump - those bottles are rubbish. S They are fine, as long as you donāt want to fill them to capacity, donāt mind wasting what gets caught in the folds and have three hands. They are also nigh on impossible to wash out and, after a few years of use, leak. Wonderful invention! |
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Post by steveandthedogs on Dec 23, 2022 21:38:03 GMT
That's why I started using the pump - those bottles are rubbish. S They are fine, as long as you donāt want to fill them to capacity, donāt mind wasting what gets caught in the folds and have three hands. They are also nigh on impossible to wash out and, after a few years of use, leak. Wonderful invention! You forgot "and drop bits of plastic from the folds into the soup so you get lots of spots on the negs".
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Post by geoffr on Dec 23, 2022 22:07:38 GMT
They are fine, as long as you donāt want to fill them to capacity, donāt mind wasting what gets caught in the folds and have three hands. They are also nigh on impossible to wash out and, after a few years of use, leak. Wonderful invention! You forgot "and drop bits of plastic from the folds into the soup so you get lots of spots on the negs".
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I think I still have a couple somewhere. No idea what, if anything, is in them, there wasnāt room for a decent sized label and the space there was ended up getting wet. |
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Post by nickr on Dec 24, 2022 11:38:20 GMT
Have to say I'm not really sure what you don't like about Rodinal for HP, for me the tonality (1+100) is just wonderful, and I don't mind the grain at all. I suppose it takes a bit of time - especially if you use it via a partial stand method. Not sure why it's taken me so long to say that...  |
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Post by zou on Dec 24, 2022 12:42:41 GMT
Have to say I'm not really sure what you don't like about Rodinal for HP, for me the tonality (1+100) is just wonderful, and I don't mind the grain at all. I suppose it takes a bit of time - especially if you use it via a partial stand method. Not sure why it's taken me so long to say that... I think for rolls shot on my Holga it'll work well, but for 35mm it's just not to my taste. Each to their own, etc. |
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Post by geoffr on Dec 24, 2022 13:39:26 GMT
Have to say I'm not really sure what you don't like about Rodinal for HP, for me the tonality (1+100) is just wonderful, and I don't mind the grain at all. I suppose it takes a bit of time - especially if you use it via a partial stand method. Not sure why it's taken me so long to say that... I think for rolls shot on my Holga it'll work well, but for 35mm it's just not to my taste. Each to their own, etc. We all have our own favourite developer/s and often don't see why anyone would use anything else. The same was true of film, recording tape, batteries etc. Sometimes it is worth trying something else, even if we decide that we still prefer what we are used to. |
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Post by nickr on Dec 24, 2022 19:35:43 GMT
Have to say I'm not really sure what you don't like about Rodinal for HP, for me the tonality (1+100) is just wonderful, and I don't mind the grain at all. I suppose it takes a bit of time - especially if you use it via a partial stand method. Not sure why it's taken me so long to say that... I think for rolls shot on my Holga it'll work well, but for 35mm it's just not to my taste. Each to their own, etc. Oh absolutely, I'm certainly not trying to tell you that I think you're wrong, just trying to understand what it is about it you don't like, that's all. |
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Post by zou on Dec 24, 2022 23:37:12 GMT
The look. |
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Post by zx9 on Dec 29, 2022 10:35:14 GMT
Have to say I'm not really sure what you don't like about Rodinal for HP, for me the tonality (1+100) is just wonderful, and I don't mind the grain at all. I suppose it takes a bit of time - especially if you use it via a partial stand method. Not sure why it's taken me so long to say that... 1-100 stand is easy, add developer knock out any air, give it a couple of inversions, go off and do something else. Come back after a hour, drain the dev. marvel at the deep blue or purple colour of spent dev. mixed with anti halation dyes, quick stop and on to fixer for 5min. Wash by inversion, photoflo in the final wash and hang it up in the shower room actually uses less of your time than 10min at 1-25. But for most of us it is a hobby so time is not that important it is more do you like the results as zou says. |
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Post by geoffr on Dec 29, 2022 11:19:45 GMT
Have to say I'm not really sure what you don't like about Rodinal for HP, for me the tonality (1+100) is just wonderful, and I don't mind the grain at all. I suppose it takes a bit of time - especially if you use it via a partial stand method. Not sure why it's taken me so long to say that... 1-100 stand is easy, add developer knock out any air, give it a couple of inversions, go off and do something else. Come back after a hour, drain the dev. marvel at the deep blue or purple colour of spent dev. mixed with anti halation dyes, quick stop and on to fixer for 5min. Wash by inversion, photoflo in the final wash and hang it up in the shower room actually uses less of your time than 10min at 1-25. But for most of us it is a hobby so time is not that important it is more do you like the results as zou says. As I said Microphen can be used diluted to produce a similar result. I happen to like, and be familiar with, Microphen so that is probably what I would look for. If I couldnāt find any I would try to find something else familiar like Acutol* otherwise, yes, Iād try Rodinal. To be fair I would need to follow the data sheet for any developer, I havenāt used any of them recently. Someone new to home developing wonāt have any familiarity with any developers. I would suggest looking at what has been recommended here and then see what can be found. I donāt think any mentioned is ābadā but they will produce different results, subtly different but still different. Try a couple and see which produces the most pleasing result. *Acutol wouldnāt be my first choice for HP5+ |
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