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Post by andy on Aug 24, 2023 21:17:47 GMT
The third question I was asked started off with 'Do you know that.....' but none of the suggested answers was 'Yes' or 'No'. If you are asked a question like that and "yes" does not get you a tick the you are being questioned by some combo of idiot and sneeky barsteward.  And possibly the crappy site. The book my Belgian customer bought to study for the test seems to have similar questions but presumably, or at least I'd hope, less typographical errors. I've met and fixed bikes for some of her pals too and as far as I'm concerned are all very welcome to stay, and vote however they please, without any risk of them being turfed out. PS. American history should be easier since there is a lot less of it  . |
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Post by willien on Aug 24, 2023 21:43:54 GMT
If you are asked a question like that and "yes" does not get you a tick the you are being questioned by some combo of idiot and sneeky barsteward. And possibly the crappy site. The book my Belgian customer bought to study for the test seems to have similar questions but presumably, or at least I'd hope, less typographical errors. I've met and fixed bikes for some of her pals too and as far as I'm concerned are all very welcome to stay, and vote however they please, without any risk of them being turfed out. PS. American history should be easier since there is a lot less of it . The nations might disagree...  |
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Post by John Farrell on Aug 24, 2023 23:30:20 GMT
New Zealand is the place for a really short history. The first people arrived here in the 1200s AD.
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Post by willien on Aug 24, 2023 23:51:48 GMT
New Zealand is the place for a really short history. The first people arrived here in the 1200s AD.
And probably had a really nice time until - oh, you are ahead of me. Q. How come they hit Oz way earlier? This a serious Q.
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Post by John Farrell on Aug 25, 2023 0:29:03 GMT
New Zealand is the place for a really short history. The first people arrived here in the 1200s AD.
And probably had a really nice time until - oh, you are ahead of me. Q. How come they hit Oz way earlier? This a serious Q.
It's believed that people reached Australia by moving through South East Asia and Indonesia - this could be done through relatively short sea crossings, until the last jump to Australia. New Zealand is much more difficult to reach, and required long sea voyages. The Polynesians who came here were expert navigators, and it is believed that climate conditions at the time they arrived here were particularly suitable for long voyages. New Zealand was the last place settled by Polynesians, after 2000 or so years spreading across the Pacific. So - to get here, they required sophisticated ocean going ships - they were dual hulled, with a platform between hulls, and a lateen type sail - and the ability to navigate. Their navigation system was very different to European methods, but modern experimenters have demonstrated its effectiveness. |
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Post by geoffr on Aug 25, 2023 6:20:00 GMT
And probably had a really nice time until - oh, you are ahead of me. Q. How come they hit Oz way earlier? This a serious Q.
It's believed that people reached Australia by moving through South East Asia and Indonesia - this could be done through relatively short sea crossings, until the last jump to Australia. New Zealand is much more difficult to reach, and required long sea voyages. The Polynesians who came here were expert navigators, and it is believed that climate conditions at the time they arrived here were particularly suitable for long voyages. New Zealand was the last place settled by Polynesians, after 2000 or so years spreading across the Pacific. So - to get here, they required sophisticated ocean going ships - they were dual hulled, with a platform between hulls, and a lateen type sail - and the ability to navigate. Their navigation system was very different to European methods, but modern experimenters have demonstrated its effectiveness. I was going to say that Australia is a lot harder to miss! Unless you’re very good at navigation you might miss New Zealand. Your answer is much better and more informative. |
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Post by spinno on Aug 25, 2023 7:21:20 GMT
The last few posts bring to mind Thor Heyerdahl and his mystery tours back in the day
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Post by John Farrell on Aug 25, 2023 8:07:44 GMT
The last few posts bring to mind Thor Heyerdahl and his mystery tours back in the day Thor Heyerdahl was trying to establish that the Pacific was peopled from South America, and there is more than a hint of racism in his ideas about various migrations. More recent research has shown that the Polynesians originated from South East Asia, and Micronesia, and spread progressively across the Pacific. They are believed to have reached South America, where they adopted the sweet potato, or kumara. This was the main staple of Maori people when the Europeans arrived in Aotearoa. This map of the spread of Polynesians is from Wikipedia.  |
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Post by spinno on Aug 25, 2023 8:21:09 GMT
The last few posts bring to mind Thor Heyerdahl and his mystery tours back in the day Thor Heyerdahl was trying to establish that the Pacific was peopled from South America, and there is more than a hint of racism in his ideas about various migrations. More recent research has shown that the Polynesians originated from South East Asia, and Micronesia, and spread progressively across the Pacific. They are believed to have reached South America, where they adopted the sweet potato, or kumara. This was the main staple of Maori people when the Europeans arrived in Aotearoa. This map of the spread of Polynesians is from Wikipedia. View AttachmentHis ideas seemed plausible at the time, but as you say it seems more logical for the spread of the population from the "mainland" of SE Asia. Still they were interesting experiments/journeys at the time. |
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Post by willien on Aug 25, 2023 11:03:27 GMT
And probably had a really nice time until - oh, you are ahead of me. Q. How come they hit Oz way earlier? This a serious Q.
It's believed that people reached Australia by moving through South East Asia and Indonesia - this could be done through relatively short sea crossings, until the last jump to Australia. New Zealand is much more difficult to reach, and required long sea voyages. The Polynesians who came here were expert navigators, and it is believed that climate conditions at the time they arrived here were particularly suitable for long voyages. New Zealand was the last place settled by Polynesians, after 2000 or so years spreading across the Pacific. So - to get here, they required sophisticated ocean going ships - they were dual hulled, with a platform between hulls, and a lateen type sail - and the ability to navigate. Their navigation system was very different to European methods, but modern experimenters have demonstrated its effectiveness. Thanks John. |
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Post by geoffr on Aug 25, 2023 12:00:38 GMT
I think it entirely reasonable for any country to ask someone wanting to become a citizen to prove that they know something of the history and values of the country along with the system of government etc. What is wrong is to expect the prospective citizen to find out these things by themselves. A course, as part of the process, would not only be more fair but also ensure that the attendees had been told the correct things rather than just enough to pass the test.
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Post by mick on Aug 25, 2023 13:32:07 GMT
I think it entirely reasonable for any country to ask someone wanting to become a citizen to prove that they know something of the history and values of the country along with the system of government etc. What is wrong is to expect the prospective citizen to find out these things by themselves. A course, as part of the process, would not only be more fair but also ensure that the attendees had been told the correct things rather than just enough to pass the test. Such courses exist. My D-in-Law did one. Successful completion of the course exempted her from having to jump through a few hoops!
One of the best parts of the course (for her) was meeting others in a similar position. I used to take her and wait. One of the best bits for me was having half time coffee with her quite beautiful Indian teacher. At the time I worked in India a lot and we found that we were very familiar with some of the same places.
Mick
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Post by andy on Aug 25, 2023 14:25:26 GMT
I think it entirely reasonable for any country to ask someone wanting to become a citizen to prove that they know something of the history and values of the country along with the system of government etc. What is wrong is to expect the prospective citizen to find out these things by themselves. A course, as part of the process, would not only be more fair but also ensure that the attendees had been told the correct things rather than just enough to pass the test. I'm guessing you haven't tried the test? One of the questions I got wrong was what percentage of people here are Jewish and Buddhist. Another was how far is the longest straight line you could draw on a map of the UK. There was a question about buildings built in the middle ages too. Basically a load of irrelevant trivia. |
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Post by aitch on Aug 25, 2023 16:09:00 GMT
I think it entirely reasonable for any country to ask someone wanting to become a citizen to prove that they know something of the history and values of the country along with the system of government etc. What is wrong is to expect the prospective citizen to find out these things by themselves. A course, as part of the process, would not only be more fair but also ensure that the attendees had been told the correct things rather than just enough to pass the test. I'm guessing you haven't tried the test? One of the questions I got wrong was what percentage of people here are Jewish and Buddhist. Another was how far is the longest straight line you could draw on a map of the UK. There was a question about buildings built in the middle ages too. Basically a load of irrelevant trivia. There's probably a few pub-quiz teams somewhere wondering why they are getting questions on how often you need an MOT, how you sign up with a dentist, the difference between a zebra crossing and a pelican crossing, and so forth... |
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Post by spinno on Aug 25, 2023 18:04:08 GMT
I'm guessing you haven't tried the test? One of the questions I got wrong was what percentage of people here are Jewish and Buddhist. Another was how far is the longest straight line you could draw on a map of the UK. There was a question about buildings built in the middle ages too. Basically a load of irrelevant trivia. There's probably a few pub-quiz teams somewhere wondering why they are getting questions on how often you need an MOT, how you sign up with a dentist, the difference between a zebra crossing and a pelican crossing, and so forth... Damn...that's my specialist subject for mastermind hooked! |
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