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Post by petrochemist on Apr 24, 2023 21:24:08 GMT
Adrian will know the accurate quote but in the manual of my 1930s box brownie it warns that handheld exposures at the smallest aperture WILL FAIL because they didn't anticipate faster films. If you're thinking of the no2 brownie it says: "Use the largest stop. Snapshots should only be made when the largest stop is before the lens. If a smaller stop is used, the light will be so much reduced that the light will not sufficiently impress the image on the film and failure will result." There are quite a range of Brownie manuals here: www.butkus.org/chinon/kodak.htmI've not checked them all as I think the only brownie models I've got are no2 variants (3 of them now - standard, art deco & red). IIRC my VPK & junior six models aren't brownies, though the above site gave manuals for them too! I guess it's probably time I sent him another donation. |
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Post by zou on Apr 25, 2023 5:23:40 GMT
On the subject of limited iso… To think only 20yrs ago most of us would be using 100, 200 or possibly 400 print films. Yes, if we were shooting B/W then we’d push to 800. Very rarely did I exceed those speeds, and yet today we talk of 1600, 3200, 6400 !! The mind boggles as those were considered extreme back then. Goodness, my old EOS 600 with 28-105usm 3.5-4.5 and a 36exp roll of 400 ASA I thought I was ready for anything 😂 Without sounding like my dad, kids don’t know they’re born these days 😂😂 Edit: I miss those simple days. I used to be so content, excited not knowing what the prints would be like. I used 1000 ASA colour film back in 1985/6 (only one roll however - but it did make handheld firework shots a possibilty). There are plenty of digital cameras these days that are usable above 50 000 ISO, my K100d rarely went above 400 iso - it's maximum was 1600 & rather noisy. It seems even my handheld IR shots where typically done at 200 iso. Times have certainly changed. K100D definitely went up to 3200, albeit with a shed full of noise and often significant banding. |
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Post by pixelpuffin on Apr 25, 2023 5:30:32 GMT
My mind is now wandering back
I recall using Kodak Ectar 25 & 1000
Also used Kodak Technical Pan 25 in my mamiya 645 (sharp!! 😳)
Wasn’t there Agfa 3200, sure I had rolls of that?
Then Kodak 3200, Fuji Reala 800 again used it in my Rollei 2.8F.
Happy times indeed
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Post by John Farrell on Apr 25, 2023 6:17:53 GMT
I use 100ISO monochrome film in my cameras...and it gives me the perfect "filmic look".
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Post by andy on Apr 25, 2023 6:32:11 GMT
My mind is now wandering back I recall using Kodak Ectar 25 & 1000 Also used Kodak Technical Pan 25 in my mamiya 645 (sharp!! 😳) Wasn’t there Agfa 3200, sure I had rolls of that? Then Kodak 3200, Fuji Reala 800 again used it in my Rollei 2.8F. Happy times indeed Think I tried some 3200 B&W film although the fastest film I used routinely was Fuji Superia 1600. That said remember when ISO 800 was fast enough to shoot action at night....  |
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Post by pixelpuffin on Apr 25, 2023 6:58:44 GMT
It was a conscientious decision back then, you had to plan ahead, order the film specifically in some instances. It’s a far cry from today where once we twiddled a dial, we now rely on auto iso.
For the past few years I’ve done just that, relied far too much . I’m trying to take back some control as it’s so obvious that my photos have become stale. My reliance on zooms and auto iso have made me a little lazy in my approach these days.
I’ve noticed how I’m tending to use mirrorless exactly like how I use my phone. Merely compose, maybe alter exp/comp until it looks half right then just press the button. I know auto iso and image stabilisation will do their bit. It makes for happy snaps or “ pack shots” as I tend to call them. Super sharp, high contrast , saturated …just like my phone. But it’s killing a lot of my desire to go out and take pictures, there’s no real skill involved to get these pack shots.
Do I really want to go out and do it all manually to try and achieve the same look, as that was once the goal.
Instead of trying to become a better photographer I’ve somehow become just a operator of a machine that does it all with very little input.
The R5 and new RF L lenses like 100-500 almost guarantee success everytime. It kinda gets boring.
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Post by nickr on Apr 25, 2023 7:21:07 GMT
On the subject of limited iso… To think only 20yrs ago most of us would be using 100, 200 or possibly 400 print films. Yes, if we were shooting B/W then we’d push to 800. Very rarely did I exceed those speeds, and yet today we talk of 1600, 3200, 6400 !! The mind boggles as those were considered extreme back then. Goodness, my old EOS 600 with 28-105usm 3.5-4.5 and a 36exp roll of 400 ASA I thought I was ready for anything 😂 Without sounding like my dad, kids don’t know they’re born these days 😂😂 Edit: I miss those simple days. I used to be so content, excited not knowing what the prints would be like. Well I wasn't using a lot of print film at all, certainly not for colour - typically I might have a compact (a decent one!) with Superia 200 or 400 in, but most of my usage was slide film mostly, with a fair bit of B&W. And I normally had 2 bodies with me either way - with slide film, one loaded with Velvia, 50 ISO, and one Provia 400, with some 1600 available. (A few years earlier, it would have been Fuji MS 100/1000 in body 2. Quite a few years before that, Kodachrome 25 in body 1.) For B&W, body 1 would have HP5, body 2 either Pan F (50 ISO) or Delta 3200/TMax 3200, depending on conditions. And then there were the odd films I liked to shoot on - Ilford SFX, some of the Maco films including Ortho ones, Agfa Scala... When I DID use colour print film was for weddings - Portra 160 in 2 cameras, 400 in 2 others. Yes, I used 4 bodies for weddings just in case. I don't miss those days.  Incidentally, someone has recently launched a new rather slow film - ISO 1. Yes, one. On Pentax DSLRs, I picked up a *ist DL earlier this year. Even that has what is now to me a trademark Pentax feature of an incredibly uncomfortable handgrip that feels "sharp" in the hand. Pleasant enough in other ways for its era, but I much prefer more recent digital models to anything of that era. I frequently use very high ISO in conference shooting. Simply couldn't have done it with film. |
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Post by petrochemist on Apr 25, 2023 7:29:28 GMT
K100D definitely went up to 3200, albeit with a shed full of noise and often significant banding. The setting allowed ot to be selected but IMO no-one could use it. |
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Post by zx9 on Apr 25, 2023 8:35:33 GMT
On the subject of limited iso… To think only 20yrs ago most of us would be using 100, 200 or possibly 400 print films. Yes, if we were shooting B/W then we’d push to 800. Very rarely did I exceed those speeds, and yet today we talk of 1600, 3200, 6400 !! The mind boggles as those were considered extreme back then. Goodness, my old EOS 600 with 28-105usm 3.5-4.5 and a 36exp roll of 400 ASA I thought I was ready for anything 😂 Without sounding like my dad, kids don’t know they’re born these days 😂😂 Edit: I miss those simple days. I used to be so content, excited not knowing what the prints would be like. I used 1000 ASA colour film back in 1985/6 (only one roll however - but it did make handheld firework shots a possibilty). There are plenty of digital cameras these days that are usable above 50 000 ISO, my K100d rarely went above 400 iso - it's maximum was 1600 & rather noisy. It seems even my handheld IR shots where typically done at 200 iso. Times have certainly changed. Around that time I was new to London and used a few rolls of 3M (640T) to explore the West End at night.
I was in the Barbican theatre foyer earlier this spring, the photographs that I took on the EOS M6 mk2 are technically better but not as interesting.
at 3200 ISO
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Post by donerundlecams on Apr 25, 2023 10:33:56 GMT
On the subject of limited iso… To think only 20yrs ago most of us would be using 100, 200 or possibly 400 print films. Yes, if we were shooting B/W then we’d push to 800. Very rarely did I exceed those speeds, and yet today we talk of 1600, 3200, 6400 !! The mind boggles as those were considered extreme back then. Goodness, my old EOS 600 with 28-105usm 3.5-4.5 and a 36exp roll of 400 ASA I thought I was ready for anything 😂 Without sounding like my dad, kids don’t know they’re born these days 😂😂 Edit: I miss those simple days. I used to be so content, excited not knowing what the prints would be like. I know what you mean ASA/ISO wise, I remember when I got my first digital camera, a Canon G2 way back in Sept 2002  which had an ISO range of 50-200 or 400(?), and got used at, mostly, 100, because anything higher turned out to be butt-ugly. So, I was so happy when I got my Pentax IST*Ds in Nov 2004 and could use 400 ISO again  Cheers, Jack |
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Post by nimbus on Apr 25, 2023 11:46:15 GMT
My mind is now wandering back I recall using Kodak Ectar 25 & 1000 Also used Kodak Technical Pan 25 in my mamiya 645 (sharp!! 😳) Wasn’t there Agfa 3200, sure I had rolls of that? Then Kodak 3200, Fuji Reala 800 again used it in my Rollei 2.8F. Happy times indeed Kodak Royal X-Pan of 1250 ASA rollfilm. Better than I had expected and pulled results where 400 ASA couldn't. It went grainy in sunlight on the occasions you were caught with it loaded. |
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Post by zou on Apr 25, 2023 12:21:28 GMT
K100D definitely went up to 3200, albeit with a shed full of noise and often significant banding. The setting allowed ot to be selected but IMO no-one could use it. I certainly got a handful of pictures which weren't ruined by banding, but yeah, not advisable to go over 1600. |
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Post by spinno on Apr 25, 2023 17:08:45 GMT
@nick
Pentax istdl...my first dslr, absolutely fabulous camera. There may have been better ones at the time but I just fell for it and those renowned colours.
First outing,with the camera, the day after I bought it was a works cricket match in Southport, I was 12th man until someone tweaked something.
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Post by pixelpuffin on Apr 26, 2023 16:49:52 GMT
Well it’s arrived
But I daren’t open it as “she” is on the prowl 😬
She’s going out tomorrow evening. Phew!
😂
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Post by zx9 on Apr 26, 2023 17:29:00 GMT
Well it’s arrived But I daren’t open it as “she” is on the prowl 😬 She’s going out tomorrow evening. Phew! 😂 Hum, you need to encourage her to get out of the house more, have you considered buying her a pony? I gather they can be quite time consuming.
Thinking about it owning up to Gear Acquisition Syndrome may be the better option, just think how much you will save on horse shoes.
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which had an ISO range of 50-200 or 400(?), and got used at, mostly, 100, because anything higher turned out to be butt-ugly. So, I was so happy when I got my Pentax IST*Ds in Nov 2004 and could use 400 ISO again 
