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Post by dreampolice on Nov 26, 2024 13:18:32 GMT
Oh and it’s probably done to piss off old folk stuck in the past and not willing to accept that things change.😉 If you want to include me in the old folk then I plead guilty!
If someone wants to see men dancing as swans then fine - but let them write and choreograph their own ballet.
If Beethoven marks a sonata adagio no-one plays it presto. I'm afraid that i amstuck in the mud.
Mick
It is a slightly different version, more modern. I dare say it is written and newly choreographed by the Matthew Bourne. Certainly according to my wife, it is slightly different. Either way, can’t it be enjoyed for what it is, rather than what one thinks it should be? Am I right in assuming that you believe watching men dance is wrong? |
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Post by mick on Nov 26, 2024 17:08:37 GMT
If you want to include me in the old folk then I plead guilty! If someone wants to see men dancing as swans then fine - but let them write and choreograph their own ballet.
If Beethoven marks a sonata adagio no-one plays it presto. I'm afraid that i amstuck in the mud. Mick
Where does it specify that Swans must only be female? In the original choreography, now almost 200 years old. Although to be honest I'm not sure that specify is the right word.
Mick
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Post by mick on Nov 26, 2024 17:20:00 GMT
If you want to include me in the old folk then I plead guilty!
If someone wants to see men dancing as swans then fine - but let them write and choreograph their own ballet.
If Beethoven marks a sonata adagio no-one plays it presto. I'm afraid that i amstuck in the mud.
Mick
It is a slightly different version, more modern. I dare say it is written and newly choreographed by the Matthew Bourne. Certainly according to my wife, it is slightly different. Either way, can’t it be enjoyed for what it is, rather than what one thinks it should be? Am I right in assuming that you believe watching men dance is wrong? No you are 100% wrong and I can't imagine why you should think that.
My gripe, if gripe it be, is to do with casting out the traditional for no good reason other than being provocative. As you said - to wind up old gits like me!
I would complain if Shakespeare became Romeo and Julian but my complaint, again, would be about messing around for no good reason. I'm sure that there's great mileage in writing about a gay relationship but at least let it be original. Same with the swans - at least let it be original.
As I said if folk want male swans or a gay romance then let them write their own.
It's not really that important so lets not make a great issue of it.
Mick
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Post by kate on Nov 26, 2024 17:26:22 GMT
Dinner
A disappointment really. Tried a Wasabi sweet chilli chicken yakisoba. The chicken, what therre was of the bits, was fine and the sauce good. The noodles were so wrong! A brown thick sauce with everything but the kitchen sink thrown in. Very clorty as we would say in my youth. Not a clean taste. Not to worry, I'll try another one. Reckon I'll taste this one all night and the new fragrance in the house will linger, no doubt.
Ballet
Whenever we ventured out to one in my London days, it always made me close to giggling with the pat pat pat noise of feet as they traversed the stage. Ha! A bit nellie the elephant I used to think.
I think swan lake is a bit boring. Give me Carmen or The Rite of Spring any day.
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Post by daves on Nov 26, 2024 17:36:09 GMT
Going to have the rest of the brisket from Sunday, probably with sautéed mushrooms and instant mash.
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Post by John Farrell on Nov 26, 2024 17:53:14 GMT
Cheesy pasta. The low fibre diet contains too many things which raise my blood glucose - as a reaction, I restricted what I ate yesterday, and had a mild hypo in the afternoon.
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Post by spinno on Nov 26, 2024 18:05:51 GMT
Steak and filled pasta
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Post by MJB on Nov 26, 2024 18:15:26 GMT
Where does it specify that Swans must only be female? In the original choreography, now almost 200 years old. Although to be honest I'm not sure that specify is the right word. Mick
Fifty years earlier than the first production? I refer you back to the original where only two characters, Odette and Odile, are specifically female. Ironically in the production of 1895, considered by ballet officianados as the source production of later versions,they were played by the same ballerina. I can find no mention anywhere that all the swans must be played by ballerinas. Perhaps you could share your 200 year old source? |
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Post by dreampolice on Nov 26, 2024 18:43:17 GMT
Dinner A disappointment really. Tried a Wasabi sweet chilli chicken yakisoba. The chicken, what therre was of the bits, was fine and the sauce good. The noodles were so wrong! A brown thick sauce with everything but the kitchen sink thrown in. Very clorty as we would say in my youth. Not a clean taste. Not to worry, I'll try another one. Reckon I'll taste this one all night and the new fragrance in the house will linger, no doubt. Ballet Whenever we ventured out to one in my London days, it always made me close to giggling with the pat pat pat noise of feet as they traversed the stage. Ha! A bit nellie the elephant I used to think. I think swan lake is a bit boring. Give me Carmen or The Rite of Spring any day. Obviously, having never been to one before, with nothing to base it on, I'd say this version was far from boring but of course tastes do differ. I fully expected to be bored out of my head. TBH I was disappointed when it ended. There was a fair bit of footsteps heard but lots of hissing/exhaling etc during the dancing of the swans. It was actually quite effective. |
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Post by zou on Nov 26, 2024 18:52:09 GMT
Lemon/spinach/something pasta I think, it's being made at present.
Have never been to a ballet and have no interest. I've seen clips/video and sadly I just don't 'get' dance-based storytelling. Opera is a delight though.
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Post by dreampolice on Nov 26, 2024 18:57:58 GMT
Lemon/spinach/something pasta I think, it's being made at present. Have never been to a ballet and have no interest. I've seen clips/video and sadly I just don't 'get' dance-based storytelling. Opera is a delight though. I didn't think I would either. As for the storytelling I did say to my wife part way through, that I had absolutely no idea what was going on, not being familiar with the story (but as I said, this story wasn't quite the same as the original).I don't really like musicals for that reason (story telling) but have seen a few. War Horse was tremendous. A few years ago, I saw a contemporary dance group doing Lord of the Flies. That was very good. Opera, the thought of that brings me out in hives. I guess, if the tickets for seeing one, at say, the Opera house, weren't so expensive, I'd probably give it a go I might actually like it I suppose. If you ever get a chance to see Stranger Things (The stage show), I'd recommend that. It was very good indeed. We saw it last month when in London. Anyway, jacket spud and beans tonight. |
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Post by lesleysm2 on Nov 27, 2024 0:54:15 GMT
Yesterday was a brunch wrap and chips in the Wetherspoons
Today met some friends for a drink and they ended up coming back to my place- thankfully someone ordered pizza and garlic bread and mozzarella fries so I got stuck into that or as they've not long gone I wouldn't have had anything
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Post by mick on Nov 27, 2024 9:29:54 GMT
Dinner A disappointment really. Tried a Wasabi sweet chilli chicken yakisoba. The chicken, what therre was of the bits, was fine and the sauce good. The noodles were so wrong! A brown thick sauce with everything but the kitchen sink thrown in. Very clorty as we would say in my youth. Not a clean taste. Not to worry, I'll try another one. Reckon I'll taste this one all night and the new fragrance in the house will linger, no doubt. Ballet Whenever we ventured out to one in my London days, it always made me close to giggling with the pat pat pat noise of feet as they traversed the stage. Ha! A bit nellie the elephant I used to think. I think swan lake is a bit boring. Give me Carmen or The Rite of Spring any day. Obviously, having never been to one before, with nothing to base it on, I'd say this version was far from boring but of course tastes do differ. I fully expected to be bored out of my head. TBH I was disappointed when it ended. There was a fair bit of footsteps heard but lots of hissing/exhaling etc during the dancing of the swans. It was actually quite effective. Many of you will remember my involvement with FE some years ago. As part of that I (ex officio) got involved with a quite well known dance academy in SE London. As a result I've (possibly) seen more dance than most. I usually enjoy it although I've seen performances that make me wonder if the performer had any ability at all - but that's my opinion of course.
I'm actually pretty fond of dance and enjoy strictly (I agree with the comment elsewhere about the "audience participation") and I look out for dance on the talent shows (with the exception of young kids - don't appreciate those!) . We usually record such shows and fast forward through the dross, watching only the performances. I haven't seen a great deal of classical ballet but what I have seen I've enjoyed rather more than much of the contemporary dance I've witnessed.
It's a matter of great regret that my attempts at learning ballroom have led to ignominious failure. I seem to have three left feet!
Mick
PS Pizza
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Post by daves on Nov 27, 2024 10:21:10 GMT
How the hell did a discussion about food turn into a debate about gender rôles in ballet? And ballet vs opera? 🤯🤷♀️.
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Post by willien on Nov 27, 2024 10:34:43 GMT
How the hell did a discussion about food turn into a debate about gender rôles in ballet? And ballet vs opera? 🤯🤷♀️. Its displacement activity cos this is not a safe space to discuss the merits or demerits of pineapple on pizza. |
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